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Why are you such a racist arsehole?

I don't know if you hate religion or just the Bible, but please stop bashing cultures not of yours like a colonizer. AllenBealJones (talk) 15:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

My friend, please stop interpreting legitimate criticism of your edits as criticism of your religion. As I have pointed out to you, the pronunciation of the biblical figure Asaph's name does not apply to all entries in the Asaph article, and it is misleading to add only one pronunciation to the top of the article as though it applies to all members of that list. You have correctly added it to the biblical figure's article, but do not restore it to the general article again. – PeeJay 16:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Furthermore, please refrain from making personal attacks against other editors. If this continues, you won't last much longer here. – PeeJay 16:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I keep telling you why you're wrong. I keep telling you that this is the pronunciation of everything under it since it's all related. But you are a racist colonizer that uses threats against other people. You deserve to be called what you are, a racist. AllenBealJones (talk) 16:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm also not friends with racist people like you who delete the truth of other cultures because it doesn't fit their narrative, instead of adding to it. AllenBealJones (talk) 16:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

And I'm telling you, as someone who is literally from the city of St Asaph, that that place is not pronounced the same way. They are not all pronounced the same, you're just too blinkered to see it. I await your apologies. – PeeJay 16:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

So stop being a racist colonizer and deny how other people say it in other parts of the world and add to it with both an American & British pronunciation. You can't say "Ethan" properly either, but that's a common name. Like I told you already, you dense racist. The world doesn't stop at Liverpool. Stop being racist. Stop making threats. Stop hating on other cultures. Stop thinking the world shines from your fart. AllenBealJones (talk) 16:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

No one is denying how anyone pronounces that name, but the place to put the pronunciation is on the specific pages for individuals who use that name. As I said to you before, there are different ways to pronounce the name within the broad spheres of American and British English. But obviously you have no interest in that since it doesn't fit your victim narrative. – PeeJay 16:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

It fits your threats because you are coward and not a real person who can't cooperate, and can't include other things too. This is your racist, and I hope Jesus helps you see through your dense racism because someone in person will answer your threats with your sickening attitude. AllenBealJones (talk) 16:44, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

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Spelling of non-English names and your edits relating to rugbyboxes in Super Rugby articles

Hi PeeJay, I've noticed that you have removed the apostrophe from the names of a few players with Samoan names, the brothers Allan Ala'alatoa and Michael Ala'alatoa. Maybe you've done it with more names. On what MoS is this change based? We're not talking about a different script here; it's Latin script that we can all read. Are you absolutely certain that this is the correct spelling?

Another edit is changing collapsible rugbyboxes to uncollapsed rugbyboxes in Super Rugby articles. We've discussed this topic before and it is clear there is no consensus for or against the use of either uncollapsed or collapsible rugbyboxes. This means that you, as an individual editor can't impose your personal preference for uncollapsed rugbyboxes on other editors. We've traditionally always used collapsible rugbyboxes for Super Rugby and a few other competitions and it's not up to you to decide that that should be changed. Collapsible rugbyboxes are allowed. Please, can you revert these changes and don't force other editors to do so? It's extremely time-consuming and, frankly, annoying. Please, refrain from any similar changes to rugbyboxes until consensus about this topic has been reached. Thanks. Ruggalicious (talk) 03:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

First, many sources spell the Alaalatoas' names without the apostrophe, including the players themselves (see Michael Alaalatoa's Instagram and Allan Alaalatoa's profile with the Brumbies). I'll concede that more sources keep the apostrophe for Michael, but since he doesn't use the apostrophe, I think it's a valid change. As for the collapsible boxes, I'll direct you to MOS:COLLAPSE, which says that "content in an article should never be collapsed by default". It also says, "If information in a list, infobox, or other non-navigational content seems extraneous or trivial enough to inspire pre-collapsing it, consider raising a discussion on the article talk page about whether it should be included at all". Based on this, collapsible boxes should never be used. It is not a personal preference but an attempt to get these articles to comply with Wikipedia's manual of style. – PeeJay 08:51, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for that explanation. I see that MOS:COLLAPSE was very recently changed and given that people don't seem to get notified of such changes, I wasn't aware of this. The reasons given for not using a collapsible template are now broader and much clearer than previously. The accessibility reason for using the uncollapsed rugbybox is reasonably convincing in this particular case, although I can see all the content on my mobile phone when rugbybox collapsible is used (I just checked), but there may be differences between operating systems and browsers. I'll keep that in mind for articles I'm working on.

Can I ask you, for the future, when you make changes like this, to not just write "no reason to use collapsible boxes" or "cleanup" in your edit summary, but to refer directly to the MOS, for example "changed collapsible box to uncollapsed box for accessibility reasons, refer MOS:COLLAPSE", which explains far more clearly why you think a change is justified than something that sounds like a personal preference? And to include this reason in every edit summary where it applies and not just "same again", which is not helpful at all to editors with many articles or their "watch list"? Better edit summaries result in fewer reactions like mine above.

I have one more question at this stage. I noticed that in the article List of 2020 Super Rugby matches, you have changed (in the rugbybox) the parameter "Home" and "Away" to "team1" and "team2". Why is this?

Finally, I see how much time and effort you've put in all these articles. Although I may not find all the changes that important (because they are minor changes to the code only and not visible to readers), I do admire your dedication! Ruggalicious (talk) 11:49, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your understanding and appreciation. Regarding the home/team1 thing, "team1" is the preferred parameter now, since not all games have home and away teams (like at the World Cup). I wouldn't bother doing an edit just to change all these, but if I'm editing something else, especially something this extensive, I'll incorporate it. – PeeJay 11:55, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Where can I find the decision that "team1" is now the preferred parameter? I'd like to see the discussion about this. It can be easily argued that the "home" team is the team that is named first and "away" team the team that is named second. It's a bit over the top to change a parameter for tournaments played at one or two (neutral) venues when it's perfectly suitable for most occasions (like competitions), as a simple explanation on the page of the rugbybox template would suffice. Parameter changes should be a last resort. I hope that at least the existing "home" and "away" parameter will not be deprecated in the future? Ruggalicious (talk) 12:14, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Sure, the home/team1 and away/team2 parameters are functionally identical. If you want to carry on using |home= and |away=, go right ahead, but |team1= and |team2= apply in all cases, while |home= and |away= don't. – PeeJay 12:45, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

|home= and |away= also don't apply to club tournament finals, I'll add. – PeeJay 12:45, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

That's true for some club tournaments, but certainly not all of them! Good to know that the "home" and "away" parameters will not be deprecated. Ruggalicious (talk) 12:51, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, there's no reason to deprecate the home and away parameters entirely, but as I say, they're functionally identical to the team1 and team2 parameters, so the use of one over the other is pretty moot. Nevertheless, if I'm in the process of a large edit to a page, I'll always change to team1 and team2 (if I remember and can be bothered). – PeeJay 13:21, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Counties steelers

I'm not sure why your claiming the buzz word for flag of "disruption" the union opened it doors in 1995, the NZRFU created the NC in 76.

2006 as you wrong put it - is not the start of pro rugby in New Zealand. Pro rugby started in 1996. NPC aligned teams started paying players in 1996.

In the early 00's the unions had a meeting and started to make changes, in 2006 those changes were made. They were made again 2009, 2010 and and 2012.

I might add that understanding the history of New Zealand based rugby is a good idea before changing something "somone else did" before clearly not doing any research.

It would appear now your trying to add buzz words like "disruption" - in what world do we live in where the actual truth is disruption? PukeHoopster81 (talk) 21:29, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

The other user that you speak of that seem to think is "doing it right, or has the right version" is also factually incorrect. Do some actual research, its not realy hard. as mentioned I am in talks with the union (I live in the area the team is based) get the latest info and historical info on the team. Are you doing the same? I hardly think so PukeHoopster81 (talk) 21:31, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Being "in talks with the union" is actually somewhat frowned upon. You need published, third-party sources, not just someone related to the subject telling you things. For consistency's sake, it's better to treat the team as having begun in 2006 and then put the pre-2006 info on the Counties Manukau Rugby Football Union page. For one thing, you're creating inconsistency between the Counties Manukau page and the rest of the NPC team pages. – PeeJay 21:38, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Frowned upon by whom exactly? someone such as yourself because the information I have provided here is correct and you don't like it? Can you please link to where on the internet the NZRFU in 2006 became a professional outfit then?

You'll find if you knew rugby - it started in 1996 like the rest of the world did. Its very simple for you to point out "I'm doing something wrong" though isn't it - to create more buzz words to have a user blocked.

the team didn't begin in 2006, I'm not sure what this consistancy is you speak of? when the competition if self did not start in 2006 and if your going to have the top points scorer and try scorer stand on the page - then your doing the same thing, because neither of those stats are alinged to the 2006 team, those two players were retired before 10 years before 2006. PukeHoopster81 (talk) 21:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Fine, so professionalism itself didn't arrive in New Zealand in 2006, but you know full well that 2006 is the year that the NPC was reorganised into a two-tier competition with professionals in the NPC and amateurs in the Heartland Championship. That's the bright line I'm referring to, and if you weren't being so obtuse, you'd have already acknowledged that. – PeeJay 22:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't need a slur thrown at me thanks, you can save that for your personal betterment.

Enjoy the page you have created - its always going to be partially unfinished page that hosts records from playes that have no connection to this "2006" idea your using. You should remove the top try scorer and most points holder, because neither of them played in or after 2006 when as you seem to think "this team was created".

The only inconsistance created - is the jibbirish your talking about 2006. PukeHoopster81 (talk) 22:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

What slur do you think I've used? Or are your feelings just hurt and now you're lashing out? I'm happy to take a look at the article to make sure everything is consistent, but your edits certainly aren't helping with that. – PeeJay 22:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

you refered to me as obtuse, there is no need for that kind of talk. Again labelling my edits as "unhelpful" and speaking of "consistance". This is a team that started in 1955, if you were consistant as you keep preeching, you'd list that.

The page also contains stat leader that never played in or after 2006. Not much use speaking to me about "consistancy" when your not even doing it yourself.

Only person talking about feelings and lashing is you. You seem to be using a lot of buzz words for some reason. not sure why. PukeHoopster81 (talk) 22:37, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

You can characterise my comments as "buzz words" if you like, but they're entirely accurate. As I said, if you have problems with the content of the article, provide sources to back up your changes and start a discussion at the talk page; however, you have to wait for the conclusion of the discussion before making edits, and those edits must conform with the consensus reached by the participants in the discussion. Starting a discussion by itself is not carte blanche for you to make whatever changes you want. Wikipedia is a collaborative project, just so you know. – PeeJay 22:46, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

You should follow your own instructions your so happy to give out. You removed my data before you entered the discussion page and have only done so since being citied. Seems to be a lot of "do as I say" rather than do as I do suggestive comments being thrown around by yourself.

As mentioned - super hard to provide a source when your editing something and its being removed. Where is the source to suggest Alan Dawson has scored the most tries for the union since 2006 as you suggest the page is being registered from as a time point then? there isn't. Because said player never played in this team for the era your listing. So if removed it should not be reinstated. There was also mention of an "away" kit. The union has no such kit. There is a speical kit that is worn in matches against the Wellington (the wellington lions, no the hurricanes based franchise team) for a memory to Jonah Lomu. Unless the team has made a change for the 2024, (of which they may because the new kit coming from a new manufactorer) then at this point there is no reference to an away kit. PukeHoopster81 (talk) 00:19, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

I haven’t a clue what you’re talking about. You added content without a source to the article, that’s what we’re dealing with right now. If there is content in the article that you think should be removed, that can be addressed too, but Alan Dawson was not part of your changes. – PeeJay 00:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

I know you haven't got a clue, because your intital suggestion doesn't warrant anything.

In the side bar there is a metion of Alan Dawson listed as the top try scorer and Danny Love as the top points scorer. You and your "we" you refer to are harking back to a 2006 reset. Neither of those players listed on the page have played since 2006. Therefore based on the idea this page runs from 2006 only, are not the statistical leaders. I haven not suggested anywhere in my text you placed them on their. PukeHoopster81 (talk) 00:36, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

again - more buzz words. Not replying to a talk page subject as you suggest I need to, can be taken the same way. PukeHoopster81 (talk) 00:22, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Any more mention of buzz words and slurs and I will request that you be barred from editing my talk page. Your baseless accusations are becoming tiresome. – PeeJay 00:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

oh yip so your ok with labelling me as "Obtuse" as you suggested, which refers to a person being slow, based on what medical evidence exactly? I haven't thankfully met you in person.

Tiresome - apparently tiresome because you've suggested they are. You had no place to use such slang / slur / suggestive words (whatever correct english lanaguage angle your now attempting to cover your tracks with) and direct them toward me in the first place.

But its the same ole story with the internet isn't it. Your challenged and your answer is, na I'll have this person cancelled instead, that will sure show them. nothing more than a yarn at this point. PukeHoopster81 (talk) 00:40, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

I’m actually just amused at how personally you’re taking this whole thing. Don’t talk to me any more, kid. – PeeJay 00:52, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Again - your the person who made the use of a word that is uncalled for, furthermore now with the attempt of the belittlement of labelling me a "kid". As mentioned previously in a suggestive postive way - from decent human being to another you seem to be projecting a personal issue you have onto me through the use of words that are not needed. You've decided to now attempt to block my useage on the website or page as a whole, you've personally decided that my edits are "bad" "wrong" or whatever the suggestive word you want to use at the time is. You are 100% right, I did take it personally - you directed it to me. Its not needed or required. PukeHoopster81 (talk) 00:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

• Courtesy reminder: I'm sure you're familiar with WP:3RR, but just a reminder that not only are the edits at Counties Manukau (National Provincial Championship) subject to 3RR, but also an admin (*waves*) is now watching the edits on the page a little more closely. —C.Fred (talk) 21:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)