Talk:Paddy Pimblett
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paddy is taller than 5’10, my son in law took a pic next to him at Disneyland two days ago. My son in law is 5’9 and paddy is at least 3 inches taller
His nickname is not "the Baddy", it is "Paddy the Baddy".
editPimblett's nickname is "Paddy the Baddy" rather than "the baddy", the rhyming name is the whole point of it and it is in widespread use, whereas "the baddy" on its own is very rarely used. --Boynamedsue (talk) 15:17, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- The info reflects the infobox source, Sherdog. The other agreed RS is ESPN, and the info reflects that, too. Lots of fighter nicknames reflect the same pattern of first name, nickname, last name. Paddy 'The Baddy' Pimblett. Anyway that's not the point, really, it should be sourced. See the source at bottom of infobox. Again, this can be usurped by ESPN if there's support. Here's ESPN. https://www.espn.co.uk/mma/fighter/bio/_/id/4008549/paddy-pimblett NEDOCHAN (talk) 17:46, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- The balance of sources reflects "Paddy the baddy" is more common, Liverpool Echo, the Guardian, give me sport, BT Sport, Daily Mirror. St Helens Star, one football. It is very rare to refer to him as "the Baddy", seems limited to US-based MMA sites. I have added "Paddy the Baddy", as it is also sourced. Boynamedsue (talk) 06:02, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi. There is longstanding consensus to use the nickname as sourced to Sherdog. Also, your using both makes no sense, otherwise it's Paddy "Paddy the Baddy'" Pimblett. Paddy is the first name, 'The Baddy' the nickname. Lennox 'The Lion' Lewis. You don't include the name in the nickname. Also, the information is as sourced in ESPN, The Guardian and Sherdog, which are agreed RS and better quality than the likes of Give Me Sport. Please don't add this again without discussion. NEDOCHAN (talk) 07:55, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Look at the Guardian source you have offered. Paddy "The Baddy" Pimblett. The nickname is clearly indicated in speech marks. If you were right (although, again, it's more about sources) it'd say Paddy "Paddy The Baddy" Pimblett. The nickname doesn't include the name. Chuck "The Ice Man" Liddell George "Rush" St Pierre. NEDOCHAN (talk) 07:59, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Look at the Guardian source you have offered. Paddy "The Baddy" Pimblett. The nickname is clearly indicated in speech marks. If you were right (although, again, it's more about sources) it'd say Paddy "Paddy The Baddy" Pimblett. The nickname doesn't include the name. Chuck "The Ice Man" Liddell George "Rush" St Pierre. NEDOCHAN (talk) 07:59, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi. There is longstanding consensus to use the nickname as sourced to Sherdog. Also, your using both makes no sense, otherwise it's Paddy "Paddy the Baddy'" Pimblett. Paddy is the first name, 'The Baddy' the nickname. Lennox 'The Lion' Lewis. You don't include the name in the nickname. Also, the information is as sourced in ESPN, The Guardian and Sherdog, which are agreed RS and better quality than the likes of Give Me Sport. Please don't add this again without discussion. NEDOCHAN (talk) 07:55, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- The balance of sources reflects "Paddy the baddy" is more common, Liverpool Echo, the Guardian, give me sport, BT Sport, Daily Mirror. St Helens Star, one football. It is very rare to refer to him as "the Baddy", seems limited to US-based MMA sites. I have added "Paddy the Baddy", as it is also sourced. Boynamedsue (talk) 06:02, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/36807-paddy-pimblett
https://www.ufc.com/athlete/paddy-pimblett https://talksport.com/sport/mma/1070877/paddy-pimblett-wayne-rooney-sparring-liverpool-helps-the-vulnerable-ufc/
https://theallstar.io/ufc-fighter-record/paddy-the-baddy-pimblett/
https://sportsnaut.com/paddy-pimblett-next-fight/
UFC: Paddy 'The Baddy' Pimblett 'fed up of being told to get a haircut' - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/mixed-martial-arts/60773665
https://www.mmamania.com/2022/4/3/23008756/video-paddy-the-fatty-pimblett-proudly-passes-200-pound-mark-after-10k-calorie-binge https://play.acast.com/s/the-fight-with-teddy-atlas/paddy-the-baddy-pimblett-interview-ufc-debut-whos-next-his-b
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/paddy-baddy-pimblett-14-stone-123300362.html
https://cagewarriors.com/paddy-pimblett-the-baddy-is-back-new-interview/
https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/ufc/paddy-pimblett-shows-conor-mcgregor-26953177
https://www.thewrap.com/ufc-paddy-pimblett-wants-to-fight-mark-zuckerberg/
https://www.menshealth.com/uk/weight-loss/a39500652/paddy-pimblett-ufc-london-win-14-stone/
https://mmauk.net/2022/03/21/paddy-the-baddy-pimblett-vs-the-top-15/
https://www.insider.com/paddy-the-baddy-pimblett-the-ufc-signing-of-the-decade-2021-3
- BBC, The Guardian, ESPN, Tapology, Sherdog all in agreement. The UFC website also. Most coverage and all the main MMA fighter databases (Sherdog, ESPN and Tapology) say the same. It's actually rare in its unanimity.NEDOCHAN (talk) 08:45, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
The source putting "the baddy" in speech marks following Paddy does not state that his nickname is "the baddy" rather than "Paddy 'the Baddy'", so these sources are irrelevant. However, the widespread use of "Paddy the Baddy" is shown and explicitly stated by the sources I provided.
Liverpool echo: "Patrick Pimblett, better known as 'Paddy the Baddy',"
Guardian; "Paddy the Baddy and Meatball Molly light up London on thrilling UFC night"
Gamesport; "Normally known as Paddy the Baddy, he has given himself the nickname Paddy the Fatty after being notorious for his post-fight binge of food."
Another Guardian article: "Meatball Molly looks up, her eyes shining as she thinks of herself and Paddy the Baddy."
For some reason you don't like this nickname, can't quite work it out, but it is clearly sourced.
Boynamedsue (talk) 09:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- The fighter profiles on ESPN, Sherdog, Tapology, MMA Junkie and the two promotions for which he has competed (Cagewarriors and UFC) clearly have The Baddy as the nickname. It's nothing to do with what I like, it's what the sources say. And the source for the infobox is at the bottom of the infobox. The info you have added is unsourced.NEDOCHAN (talk) 10:14, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
https://www.espn.co.uk/mma/fighter/_/id/4008549/paddy-pimblett
https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/36807-paddy-pimblett
https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Paddy-Pimblett-84902
https://www.ufc.com/athlete/paddy-pimblett
https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/fighters/paddy-pimblett
NEDOCHAN (talk) 10:25, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- The source putting "the baddy" in speech marks following Paddy does not state that his nickname is "the baddy" rather than "Paddy 'the Baddy'", so these sources are irrelevant.
- How much more explicit would you like Green RS ESPN to be than Nickname: The Baddy ???NEDOCHAN (talk) 10:42, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- I don't understand what you have written here. You will notice that I have not remove "The Baddy" as you have shown it to be sourced, however there is also ample sourcing for "Paddy the Baddy", as the quote I have added shows. Please do not revert again as I will take it to ANI edit-warring. Boynamedsue (talk) 12:02, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weight of sources is in favour of 'The Baddy'. Quality of sources is in favour of 'The Baddy'. This is WP:MMA's infobox. It contains info that, unless stated otherwise, is sourced to Sherdog - hence the link to Sherdog at the bottom.
- Now, there have been many, many discussions about source quality and, where there is support, we have agreed that ESPN is the best option when CONSENSUS isn't clear on Sherdog's accuracy. We also pay attention to the official fighter profile on the promotion's website (though this isn't ideal). In this instance, all profiles unambiguously give 'The Baddy' as his nickname. No discussion has taken place regarding the reliability of The Liverpool Echo as regards fighter information. A great deal of discussion has taken place re Sherdog, ESPN, Tapology and UFC, and ALL of them say, 'The Baddy'. NEDOCHAN (talk) 12:32, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but a large number of sources use the name "Paddy the Baddy", I think you will find it hard to argue that the Guardian and Liverpool Echo are reliable in every aspect except fighter nicknames. I have tried to resolve this by putting both names, as both are sourced. Unfortunately from your behaviour here, it seems you are not open to compromise. Your attempt to WP:CANVAS was also noted. Boynamedsue (talk) 13:01, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- That's because his first name is normally written as 'Paddy' and his nickname is 'The Baddy'. I think you will have a hard time showing that The Liverpool Echo is a reliable source for MMA fighter databases. I cannot find a single MMA database that gives the nickname as anything other than 'The Baddy'. And there is longstanding CONSENSUS re the project infobox and what's included in it. The editor with the best ability to point to that has been made aware of this conversation. NEDOCHAN (talk) 13:39, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- There are 23 other sources given on this page that support'The Baddy', too, btw. NEDOCHAN (talk) 13:47, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- The Guardian article says in its opening paragraph Paddy "The Baddy" Pimblett. If you don't think that the inverted commas indicate the nickname, then I'd propose seeking other sources that explicitly state 'Nickname'. I would suggest Sherdog, ESPN, Tapology, UFC. Not The Liverpool Echo.NEDOCHAN (talk) 13:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- You are extrapolating from punctuation, that is WP:OR. But you will note that I have explicitly ceded the point that RS exists which support the nickname "The Baddy", and no longer seek to remove it. So most of the above is irrelevant. But there is widespread use of the nickname "Paddy the Baddy" in reliable sources, as well as several which explicitly state that to be his nickname, here are a few of them:
- The Guardian article says in its opening paragraph Paddy "The Baddy" Pimblett. If you don't think that the inverted commas indicate the nickname, then I'd propose seeking other sources that explicitly state 'Nickname'. I would suggest Sherdog, ESPN, Tapology, UFC. Not The Liverpool Echo.NEDOCHAN (talk) 13:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/all-need-know-paddy-pimblett-latest-official-addition-ufc-roster
- https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2022/3/20/22987613/ufc-fight-night-205-london-mma-news-interview-media-dana-white-paddy-pimblett-sean-omalley
- https://www.givemesport.com/87992593-paddy-pimblett-has-put-on-big-amount-of-weight-since-ufc-london
- https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2021-05-07/paddy-pimblett-eyes-ufc-anfield-event-after-signing-multi-fight-contract
- https://www.indy100.com/sport/paddy-pimblett-liverpool-food-banks
- https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/5-exciting-ufc-fighters-yet-make-promotional-debut
- https://www.si.com/mma/2021/09/09/weekly-takedown-paddy-pimblett-ufc-lightweight-division
- https://www.cbssports.com/mma/news/ufc-fight-night-results-highlights-paddy-pimblett-makes-explosive-promotional-debut-with-first-round-tko/
- I would also say that the fighter's own website uses the name "Paddy the Baddy" and that the Liverpool Echo is a far better source for the nickname of a Liverpool fighter who has been popular here for 5 years, than a US-based MMA website. Boynamedsue (talk) 15:14, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Are you referring to www.thebaddy.com ? A self-published source that's called www.thebaddy.com? To show how 'The Baddy' is not his nickname? NEDOCHAN (talk) 15:17, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- I am not claiming it is RS, but you will be aware that domain names are not the same as nicknames? And that the site is officially called "Paddy the Baddy - Official site", and that in the top left hand corner of every page is a picture of Pimblett under the words "Paddy the Baddy"? Once again you are arguing against the straw man that I want to remove the nickname "the baddy", all I want is for both sourced nicknames to be added. Given there are 15 sources supporting the existence of the nickname "Paddy the Baddy", I don't think you really have a leg to stand on in that regard. Boynamedsue (talk) 15:26, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- We use the nickname as sourced to Sherdog in the infobox. I have absolutely no issue with including the info in the article body but the infobox is not compulsory and was created by the wikiproject. Next to nickname/other name, we use Sherdog or ESPN. NEDOCHAN (talk) 16:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Very few RS give the nickname. Of course there will be references that say Paddy the Baddy but his fighter nickname is "THE BADDY". The Guardian article says as much. Otherwise it would be "Paddy the Baddy" Pimblett or Paddy "Paddy the Baddy" Pimblett. What it says and what all the RS we use in MMA fighter articles is Paddy (first name) "The Baddy" (nickname) Pimblett (last name).
- I would ask you please to self revert to what's in the infobox source and add a section re his nickname in the article body.NEDOCHAN (talk) 16:28, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Boynamedsue: Good day. The nickname of the subject is "The Baddy", and at times, ppl would call out the subject name plus the nick name or say the first name then the nick name then the last name which is common which we could easily hear from the fight announcer but the nick name is not "Paddy the Baddy" but "The Baddy" and that goes with all for 1.2 K of MMA fighters in Wikipedia. We also dont include the meme nickname on the internet such as for Tony Furgeson nick name as "Tony Ferguson is the guy" even it is well-know in internet world. I could not explain well enough here as per NEDOCHAN could, maybe you could check all the MMA fighter pages to understand this. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 23:39, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- I strongly disagree with this, the nickname "Paddy the Baddy" predates the use of "The Baddy" and, linguistically speaking, is clearly the original term. The problem here is US websites failing to correctly render British naming practices. There are, however, 8 sources above which explicitly state "known as Paddy the Baddy" or "nicknamed Paddy the Baddy" and another 8 which use the name "Paddy the Baddy". I feel this more than justifies inclusion in terms of wikipedia's policy, but once again I see that users focused on MMA have a somewhat idiosyncratic interpretation of wikipedia's rules. Can't be bothered with a RfC on something so small, so I'll just register my discontent here and leave it at that. Boynamedsue (talk) 05:44, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Boynamedsue: Good day. The nickname of the subject is "The Baddy", and at times, ppl would call out the subject name plus the nick name or say the first name then the nick name then the last name which is common which we could easily hear from the fight announcer but the nick name is not "Paddy the Baddy" but "The Baddy" and that goes with all for 1.2 K of MMA fighters in Wikipedia. We also dont include the meme nickname on the internet such as for Tony Furgeson nick name as "Tony Ferguson is the guy" even it is well-know in internet world. I could not explain well enough here as per NEDOCHAN could, maybe you could check all the MMA fighter pages to understand this. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 23:39, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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Early career
editThe information under "Early career" is double. The same information is given twice with only slightly different wording; I'm guessing it was just an oversight. Just to be clear, I'm talking about these two texts:
"Pimblett made his debut in 2012, aged 17, racking up a 3–0 record before signing with Cage Warriors a year later. In 2016, he claimed the Cage Warriors featherweight championship and defended it once before losing it and moving up to lightweight. After a win, he challenged for the Cage Warriors lightweight championship, losing by unanimous decision. After two more wins in the organisation, Pimblett signed a contract with the Ultimate Fighting Championship."
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"Pimblett made his professional debut in 2012, winning his first three fights before joining Cage Warriors a year later, upon turning 18. In 2016, he won the Cage Warriors featherweight championship, beating Johnny Frachey at the Echo Arena in Liverpool. He defended the title against Julian Erosa in a controversial unanimous decision.
After his first win in the weight class, he unsuccessfully challenged for the Cage Warriors Lightweight championship. Pimblett went on to win his next two bouts for Cage Warriors, before signing a contract with the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC). Pimblett had previously declined two UFC deals, getting better financial offers from Cage Warriors."
Delete one of them? 92.109.57.20 (talk) 12:19, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
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