Talk:Panajot Pano

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The ethnicity of Panajot Pano cannot be defined by a link of an organization web page. This is surely tendenciousus. In order to state it it's needed a more relevent and reliable citation.

Klesti (talk) 22:41, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

You have to read wp:rs, there is no clue that this institution isn't reliable, on the contrary it is supported by the government, and moreover is a highly prestigious institution that deals with ethnic Greeks abroad (so P. Pano is included in this definition). So by far more reliable than an ordinary newspaper. Unless you did not find something that objects this, this should stay. By the way, you violated the wp:3rr rule since started reverting as an unlogged editor.Alexikoua (talk) 23:10, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Alexikuoa, note that you also have made 6 reverts within 24 hours.

• 1st revert: [1]
• 2nd revert: [2]
• 3rd revert: [3]
• 4th revert: [4]
• 5th revert: [5]
• 6th revert: [6]

I will file an ANI for you both if you don't behave and continue on edit-warring on this page.sulmues (talk) --Sulmues 12:52, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

@Sulmues, since you are somewhat familiar with the concept of wp:3rr violation [[7]], I advice you to read the exceptions of what's called wp:3rr [[8]].

You also forgot to mention that user Klesti is a wp:SPA, since he created the account just for this purpose the right moment [[9]], not to mention that he breached 3rr too, I'm not a psychic but it's more than obvious that the unlogged edditor was himself.Alexikoua (talk) 15:20, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Since there is no answer on why this source is disputed, we have a typical tendentious (wp:vandalism) activity here.Alexikoua (talk) 21:07, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Actually I will gently ask you to revert yourself and remove from the lead paragraph that he was of Greek descent per MOS

It clearly says "Nationality & ethnicity – In the normal case this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable." He became notable in Albania and had no Greek citizenship at that time, so in the lead paragraph that has to be removed. You may mention it at a later moment in other paragraphs though. --sulmues (talk) 17:17, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Sure I agree on that. I will move it on the second paragraph.Alexikoua (talk) 17:23, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Good job, thanks! Hope you agree with my edits. --sulmues (talk) 17:29, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

The mention of Pano being an ethnic greek needs to go. The world hellenic council is not a reliable source. We ha no sources whatsoever of Pano ever claimin greek ethnicity. --I Pakapshem (talk) 17:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

The source is fine, since he was a member of the Greek minority there's no reason on removing it.Alexikoua (talk) 19:16, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

It's one source and it's biased. It's not fine at all. Of course something like the world hellenic council would claim something like this. If you have any other credible sources mentioning his ethnicity then go ahead, if not I will remove it. --I Pakapshem (talk) 20:54, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

He's father was from a 'minoritare' village near Delvina [[10]], I don't see why we should remove his origin.Alexikoua (talk) 16:13, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I said good sources, not world hellenic council once again and this time in greek. I am removing it.--12.106.250.211 (talk) 16:17, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the IP editor. The fact that his family was of Greek origin doesn't mean much. We have no idea if he even knew Greek or identified with the Greek nation. If we start claiming Panajot Pano a Greek, then we ought to start with Kollokotroni the Albanian. --_Sulmues ^{Let's talk} 16:33, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

(IP editor is I_Pakapshem) If someone's family is of x ethnicity he is ethnic x. Alexikoua (talk) 16:39, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Can you prove this with any reliable sources besides the obviously biased world hellenic council? --I Pakapshem (talk) 04:01, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with the source, so I have reverted him. Pakapshem's objections to it are frivolous and need not be taken seriously (source is not verifiable by other sources). What nonsense, seriously. This is blatant tendentious editing and needs to stop. Athenean (talk) 20:32, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

The source is fine and credible (The guy had Greek parents so this means he was of Greek origin). We have here a clear wp:IDONTLIKEIT situation again. It's really sad that some editors here, like Pakapshem have an intense edit-warring nature, even after long term blocks. By the way, I remember Pakapshem's restriction (1rr/week) was never lifted. Isn't it a restriction violation? (He had already violated his latest 6 months block by editing unlogged, I wonder if he ever respected a single block/restriction here)Alexikoua (talk) 14:45, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

The source is not fine and credible just because you say so. It's a biased nationalistic source. Can you prove that he had greek parents? Everything else looks like trolling and personal attacks against me. Bring a good reliable source that clearly states his parents were greek and then we can leave the part in the article.--I Pakapshem (talk) 19:11, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

This organization is created after government initiative (presidential decree to be precise). Alexikoua (talk) 19:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

That reinforces the fact that it's not objective. It clearly protects the interests of the country. Besides the article you cite mentions nothing about his parents or them being greek.--I Pakapshem (talk) 20:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Only in the mind of a paranoid nationalist would Greece actually have an interest in promoting some soccer player as Greek. I mean, really. As if the Greek government has nothing better to do than create organizations whose job is to go around "stealing" other countries' soccer players, especially those of Albania. LOL. Athenean (talk) 21:19, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Right, that's why Greece insits on sponsoring directly the inventory of the so called properties of the greek minority, greek schools all over southern Albania, greek orthodox churches even in places where there are certainly no greeks but not even inhabitants of the orthodox faith, and the pensions of any old inhabitant of southern Albania who declares himself/herself vorioepirot. Please, spare me the nervous ironic comments and laughter. We know pretty well what the greek government and its sponsored organizations do, not only in Albania but also in Macedonia and even in Bulgaria. I don't know if they have anything better to do, but by their actions they certainly show they haven't moved away from their byzantine megali idea mentality. As far as soccer player stealing goes, they did so with Nini (the hope of Greek soccer) and surely they would want to claim Pano (who is dead) as well. They are trying very hard with Vasil Shkurtaj (they're thinking about his last name being converted to Skurtis or Skourtis), but so far they haven't succeded. But enough about the greek government, and why don't you tell us why are you and Alexikoua are so obsessed with promoting Pano as greek with a completely unreliable source that proves nothing about his ethnicity or his parents ethnicity as Alexikoua claims? Don't you have anything better to do? --I Pakapshem (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

To be precise his parents were from Lefterohor, a village even E. Hodja recognized as minoritare (Greek). Even Albanian blogs admit that [[11]]. So if you find that his parents were from another village it's ok.Alexikoua (talk) 22:26, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

An albanian blog, or any blog saying whatever pleases them is certainly nowhere near being a reliable source. The man himself while he was alive for 70 years, never mentioned anything about being ethnic greek. Being that he is decorated as Honor of the Nation by the president, and is one of the most famous Albanians soccer players ever we certainly would have some sort of reliable source mentioning anything about his ethnicity but apparently we don't and you can't come up with anything else besides WHC and some random Albanian blog. Happy searching to you Alexikoua! --I Pakapshem (talk) 22:34, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

lefterhor is definitely a greek village but i dont know the guy..'albanian footballer...of ethnic greek ancestry' as the article claims seems pretty neutral to me87.202.19.161 (talk) 12:05, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

'If we start claiming Panajot Pano a Greek, then we ought to start with Kollokotroni the Albanian' wth...? kolokotronis was an ethnic greek (in the strictest sense possible - a greekspeaking christian - from arcadia), pano from a village of the greek minority of albania..how are the two claims comparable? are you kidding around or have you actually bought into the 'bithegura from vuno in himare' nonsense..?87.202.19.161 (talk) 12:09, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

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