Talk:Pandæmonium (Paradise Lost)

nope, leave it like this. good point of reference for people who want to know the etymology of the term.

• This definition sucks, as it makes no reference to Pan, the Greek with the goat trousers, from which "panic," also comes. Pan, meaning "all," comes from the Germanic "Pfanne." Hosers!

There is not enough information in the article to warrent its inclusion in WP, but the subject itself appears to be notable. I think a little work can be done to make it viable, but I definitely don't see the point in moving it Mrathel (talk) 17:48, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

The proposal to move is NOT any kind of judgment on the quality of the article; it is only a suggestion that the article be located at a different title. Discussion should take place at Talk:Pandæmonium#Requested move. Propaniac (talk) 20:12, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

 Administrator note The proposal to move this article did not reach a consensus to move.--Aervanath (talk) 11:25, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Correct word?

Should it not be the 'Capital' of Hell? I may be missing something, but it is a common error. Psychokinetic (talk) 09:20, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I thought similarly, but apparently "capitol" refers more narrowly to the buildings of government, whereas "capital" can refer more broadly to the city in which those buildings are located.

That said, Milton himself refers to Pandaemonium as a "capitol" (Book 1, line 756), and that usage seems appropriate too insofar as Milton refers to it in the previous line as the "Council" of fallen angels (e.g. a meeting place or building). Uchronia (talk) 00:45, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Size of the city

I absolutely can not understand why the city (or council-chamber, this part is quite unclear), would be considered "probably quite small". The entire first book of Paradise Lost describes just how big Hell is, how the fallen angels are much taller than any other creature and how innumerable they are.

"From every band and squarèd regiment / By place or choice the worthiest; they anon / With hundreds and with thousands trooping came / Attended: all accés was thronged, the gates / And porches wide, but chief the spacious hall [...] / Thick swarmed, both on the ground and in the air, Brushed with the hiss of rustling wings.", verse 758 to verse 768; it is clear that having them reduce in size is a testament to their number, not the smallness of the council-chamber.

Furthermore, it is said that "far within / And in their own dimensions like themselves / The great Seraphic Lords and Cherubim / In close recess and secret conclave sat / A thousand demi-gods on golden seats,", verse 792 to 797. The most important of the fallen angels thus preside over it in their full stature, a thousand of them. How could a place fit to accommodate a thousand creatures taller than giants ever be considered small? Milan-Arthur (talk) 15:39, 25 October 2024 (UTC)