Talk:Parkinsonism

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Cerebellar thoracic outlet syndrome

I wasn't aware that thoracic outlet syndrome could cause parkinsonism, as this isn't a typical finding. Perhaps this could be better referenced in the article. Andrew73 00:25, 30 October 2006 (UTC):It is only a particular type of TOS that can cause it - Cerebellar Thoracic Outlet Syndrome

Journal of Cardiovascular Surgery (Toriono) [1996] 37 (6 Supplement 1) : 155-166 (E.I.Fernandez Noda, J.Nunez-Arguelles, J.Perez Fernandez, J.Castillo, M.Perez Izquierdo, H.Rivera Luna)

Rinsho Kyobu Geka [1987] 7 (3) : 271-275 (E.I.Noda Fernandez, A.Lugo, E.Berrios, J.R.del Valle, F.Alvardo, M.S.Buch, J.P.Fernandez)

--Professor Rizzo Naudi 00:54, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

This is far from established. The two papers that come up on PubMed are from the same Puerto Rican research group and no attempts seem to have been made to verify its existence, let alone replicate the interventions they propose.

Harrisson's "Principles of Internal Medicine" 16th ed page 2408 gives a fairly exhaustive list for the differential of Parkinsonism. CTOS is not in the list. If something is not in a highly authoritative textbook, I suspect it may not be worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia. JFW | T@lk 21:02, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Article too "list-y"

I'd like to see the differential diagnosis section re-written in prose - any volunteers? If not, I'll take a stab at it in the next week or so.... -- MarcoTolo 01:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

References

I agree that the existing references aren't the best ones out there, but perhaps it may be reasonable to leave them in place for now until better ones are found. Andrew73 20:08, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

If there are particular references that folks feel less-than-comfortable with, I'm not particularly attached to any of the refs - feel free to replace them (textbooks, peer-reviewed, etc). -- MarcoTolo 20:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Hydrocephalus

Symptoms of Parkinson's Disease can often occur simultaneously with Hydrocephalus [1,2,3], and can be due to the effects of Hydrocephalus [2,4,5,6]. The Parkinson's Disease symptoms may be caused by increased intracranial pressure reducing blood flow to the basal ganglia where dopamine is produced [6].

[1] Journal of neurology, neurosurgery and psychiatry [2001] 70 (3) : 289-297 (H.Stolze, J.P.Kuhtz-Buschbeck, H.Drucke, K.Johnk, M.Illert, G.Deuschl)

[2] Movement Disorders [1997] 12 (1) : 52-60 (J.K.Krauss, J.P.Regel, D.W.Droste, M.Orszagh, J.J.Borremans, W.Vach)

[3] Movement Disorders [1994] 9 (5) : 508-520 (T.Curran, A.E.Lang)

[4] Movement Disorders [1986] 1 (1) : 59-64 (J.Jankovic, M.Newmark, P.Peter)

[5] Canadian Journal of Neurological Science [1985] 12 (3) : 255-258 (L.Berger, S.Gauthier, R.Leblanc)

[6] Pediatric Neurology [1988] 4 (2) : 117-119 (E.Shahar, R.Lambert, P.A.Hwang, H.J.Hoffman)

Tojo, we've discussed this before. It is rare and not listed in major textbooks. JFW | T@lk 06:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

parkinsons vs parkinsonism

What is the difference between parkinsons disease and parkinsonism? I am a CNA and I currently work with a patient who was diagnosed with parkinsonism 2 years ago. We go to a support group once a month. But I haven't quite grasped the difference between the two. Can you help me understand the difference? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.184.128.15 (talk) 02:01, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I believe that pseudo parkinsonism is properly used to describe motor symptoms, such as EPS, that resemble pd in some respects but are not necessarily due to the same underlying neurological deficit ie SN dopaminergic neuron death. this is supported by the fact that the two conditions respond to treatments differently. I will look for a reference that claimed that drug induced pseudo parkinsonism does not respond to anti-cholinergics. consider that there are multiple subsystems of the SN that are not all purely dopaminergic, such as the striatal -> GPe/GPi gabaergic pathways, and the STN which has afferent gaba pathways and efferent glutamatergic pathways and appears to regulate a difference in basal tone between the GPi and GPe. Beware of the (oh so underpaid) Status Quo which will defend to the death the right to stone wall patients who complain about EPS with the assertion that it was their own failing dopamine systems all along and that the recent overdose of haliperidol had nothing to do with the sudden emergence of permanent EPS. This is a hotspot of contemporary medical fraud, Systematic underreporting of EPS, because ER mds do not want to lose the option of miniDEEPSLEEP_tm therapy, ie knocking a patient out for 3days with 20mg+ of haliperidol. oh look how peaceful they look, no "agitation" (were they brought in by police and really had quite reasonable justification for agitation) at all... pity when they get discharged and enough halflifes later the EPS begins they're going to be permanently agitated for the rest of their lives.

do you want to be the Emergency Medical Doctor to give a patient in their 20's permanent agitation for life, just to keep the average discharge time down. We need more references to the actual difference between Neuroleptic induced pseudo parkinsonism and true parkinsons. We also need accompanying evidence that no possible benefit of initial high dose haliperidol can justify the substantial risk (50%+) of permanent EPS.

Response to Parkinsonism vs. Parkinson disease, and people that dislike lists.

I'm not certain if "pseudoparkinsonism" is a correct term, I personally believe it is a misnomer. Webster online dictionary gives it a definition. When I search for Parkinsonism I get about the same definition as pseudoparkinsonism. "Secondary Parkinsonism" is used currently and I suspect will replace pseudoparkinsonism.

Parkinson's is not specific for disease or syndrome.

Parkinsonism is specific for syndrome. When someone has parkinsonism they can present in a similar manner as parkinson disease. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:CommonMed (talk • contribs) 00:23, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Using the term Parkinsonism, is describing someone with the signs and symptoms of Parkinsons disease. Different diseases that present just like Parkinson disease and if these diseases are not considered, then a misdiagnosis of Parkinson disease might happen.

Because Secondary Parkinsonism exists [1] there needs to be a list. If you do not like lists, then that is your personal choice. If someone diagnosed me with Parkinsons disease, I might want to know if there was something else, a list of secondary parkinsonism. A list of behaviors, risk factors, diseases, chemicals, etc. associated with Parkinsonism. DAL (talk) 19:59, 19 April 2013 (UTC)CommonMed74.131.58.49 (talk) 19:19, 19 April 2013 (UTC)CommonMed] = 74.131.58.49 (talk) 19:19, 19 April 2013 (UTC)DAL — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.131.58.49 (talk) 19:07, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

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No mention of redirect from Parkinson's syndrome

The text for the link from the Muhammad Ali page is "Parkinson's syndrome". At the destination page there is usually a note that like "redirects from...". I am not finding details on how to implement this, otherwise I would do it myself. Arbalest Mike (talk) 05:41, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Arbalest Mike the initial link at Muhammad Ali to parkinsonism is correct, but the full story is not told. According to Parkinson’s disease#Notable cases, he may have been later diagnosed with PD, but the old sources there are not clear. To sort this out, someone will need to read the Neurology journal articles linked in the PD article (which are old), and find accurate sources explaining when and if his diagnosis switched from parkinsonism to Parkinson’s disease. The problem is not with the links; the problem is that the Ali article is incomplete. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 07:17, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

I wasn't clear enough in my original comment. On the Ali page the link text is "Parkinson's Syndrome" but the destination page is "Parkinsonism". Even if the same, when this happens there is generally a line at the top that says something like "Parkinson's Syndrome redirects here". The line usually looks like the one currently in the article that says "Not to be confused with...". Maybe it is not applicable in this case, but it was something I expected to see. Arbalest Mike (talk) 04:54, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Arbalest Mike ah, ha, I see … does this fix resolve your concern? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:33, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Yep, SandyGeorgia, that is exactly what I was talking about! Thanks. Arbalest Mike (talk) 05:12, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Capitalization

The article has a mix of "Parkinsonism" and "parkinsonism". Which should it be? —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:15, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Lower case. For example, search this source. I found only one instance of an incorrect upper case (Parkinsonism, now fixed), so maybe I am misunderstanding your question. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Lowercase per this. Regards, Cinderella157 (talk) 03:51, 22 November 2021 (UTC) PS, not seeing incorrect uppercase usage now either. Cinderella157 (talk) 03:54, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Lowercase. I fixed another instance in the article. Dicklyon (talk) 04:25, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, there were two of them. I find cases like this one confusing, since the word is derived from a person's name, and many other terms derived from personal names are uppercased. For example, "Dickensian", "Euclidean", "Jacksonian", "Keynesian", "Malthusian", "Marxism" and "Newtonian" are always uppercased, aren't they? On the other hand, SI units such as the watt, hertz, newton, pascal, and tesla are lowercased. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 07:05, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

BarrelProof, I might have expected the same, but the evidence is what it is. Regards, Cinderella157 (talk) 09:26, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Added content based on National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2021 changes

I added a bunch of good content I found that is important as the NDAA of 2021 finally added Parkison's and Parkinsonism to the list of "presumptive diseases" and what this does is enable affected Vietnam veterans (and their affected family members) claim disability benefits. I got a warning notice however as a couple of the references I found online are from blocked... probably the root domain. But I did not do a bunch of research on "feelwellhealth.com" to determine why. I plan to post on the whitelist request page to allow just the specific reference, but not the whole domain to be allowed while I continue to look for additional sources. I also added a currently non-existent category for consideration by other wikipedians -- "list of presumptive conditions to receive VA benefits" is a mouthful, but I'm sure someone will come up with a better idea. Seems like it should be content that is networked via categories. Tennis Anyone?^Talk 22:16, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

I have adjusted your addition to conform with WP:MEDRS and WP:MEDMOS, and to keep the content on this page on topic. [2] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:54, 2 March 2022 (UTC)