Talk:Parlement of Paris

History section needs more information

The introduction tells us the Parliament originates in the 14th century. The history section begins at the end of the 16th century. Do I need to say more? LastDodo (talk) 13:13, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 14 September 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Skarmory (talk • contribs) 23:12, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

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• Parliament of Paris → Parlement of Paris
• Parliament of Toulouse → Parlement of Toulouse
• Parlement de Normandie → Parlement of Rouen
• Parliament of Aix-en-Provence → Parlement of Aix-en-Provence
• Parliament of Brittany → Parlement of Rennes
• Parliament of Besançon → Parlement of Besançon

– This move seeks to unify how we refer to the institution of the French Parlement on English Wikipedia. Presently the situation is as follows.

The overall article on the concept is titled Parlement, this is also the term largely used across Wikipedia, for example you get far more results in articles for 'parlement of Paris' than 'parliament of Paris'.

The articles for the individual Parlements are as follows:

• Parliament of Paris
• Parliament of Toulouse
• Parlement de Normandie
• Parliament of Aix-en-Provence
• Parliament of Brittany
• Parliament of Besançon

As you can see, this fails WP:CONSISTENCY. Both internally and with the overall article on the concept. I will argue that we should unify them around Parlement of X. This would mean changing all the ones using ‘Parliament’, and also Normandie to ‘Parlement of Rouen’ and Brittany to ‘Parlement of Rennes’

I argue this further on the grounds of WP:USEENGLISH and WP:COMMONNAME. If you use an n-gram search for any of these Parlement, you will see that since the 1930s, Parlement has been the more common English word used to describe these bodies.

• Paris
• content=Parliament+of+Rennes%2CParlement+of+Rennes&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3 Rennes
• Bordeaux
• Toulouse
• Rouen
• Rennes
• Besançon

I couldn't generate one for Aix-en-Provence, ngram rejected it.

Moreover, it is the word used by the most prominent article on the topic on English Wikipedia (the overall ‘Parlement’ article), and in all my years of reading scholarship on ancien régime France, I have never personally read anyone refer to them as a ‘Parliament’.

I could cite a lot of books in my favour (including every single one used for this very article), but instead I’ll just cite one that I have experience with, the book ‘One King, One Faith: The Parlement of Paris and the Religious Reformations of the Sixteenth Century’

There is good reason for this, these institutions are not ‘parliaments’ in the way we would understand that term today, (like the modern French Parliament/Parlement) which is primarily a legislative body. These are law courts, and this is why scholars have overwhelmingly chosen to maintain the name ‘Parlement’ in English, so that it can be easily differentiated by the English lay audience from the modern concept. sovietblobfish (talk) 16:16, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. The nomination goes into great detail on the scholarly use of the term, but I'll just add a much less scientific observation - Google's first few pages of results either use "Parlement" or are direct copies of this article. Tevildo (talk) 23:58, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Support The detail about the use of the term is convincing and I determine that this will improve knowledge for Wikipedians. Jorahm (talk) 17:03, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

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