Talk:Parliament of England/Archive 1

Archive 1

Tynwald

The English/British/UK Parliament is NOT the oldest Parliament in the world. The Manx Parliament, or Tynwald is older. --192.251.163.148 (talk) 07:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Mother of Parliaments - ?westminster

I think I recall hearing Mr Speaker Thomas once insisting that Westminster is the mother of parliaments, due to the post-colonial work of establishing parliamentary systems in ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada and many others. Can anyone confirm the correct usage of this phrase? Frank Walsh (1962) (talk) 12:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

This link to a blog site gives various angles on the question:

  http://lordsoftheblog.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/the-mother-of-parliaments/

Frank Walsh (1962) (talk) 12:41, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

The Witan or Witenagemot

There was an Anglo-Saxon parliament or assembly of a kind called the Witan or Witenagemot.

There is an article on this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witenagemot). 

Perhaps there should be a reference to this in some way. Anglo-Saxon England is part of English history, and hence part of the history of English institutions. Nickyfann (talk) 19:21, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

The Witanagemot wasn't a parliament as we know it now, it was a group of advisers to the King. It was the pre-cursor to the English Parliament and should be mentioned or linked to but not really expanded on in this article.

wonko (talk) 21:37, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

William and Mary

At the beginning of the article, someone wrote that the English Parliament was "made under William and Mary, marking England's golden age." This is rubbish! The joint monarchs William of Orange (William III) and Mary Tudor (Mary II) reigned from 1689 until Mary's death in 1694. William reigned alone until 1702. The Parliament of England was of course founded many centuries earlier. What William and Mary did do was sign the English Bill of Rights, but they hardly founded parliament and their reign is not deemed England's golden age. For that, you might try Elizabeth I. Jm3106jr (talk) 00:16, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

The English Parliament is older than the 1700's. The English Empire was a century or more old by the time of the Act of Union in 1707. Any golden age after 1707 is attributable to the British, not the English.

wonko (talk) 21:36, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Anachronisms

Surely discussions of topics such as Heathrow airport should not be on this page, which is about an institution which ceased to be in 1707. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.232.129.109 (talk) 13:39, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

House of Peers

Dates are wrong, but I don't have time to fix this. Eg "on October 25, 1695, the Solicitor-General reported 'that the House of Commons are, and always will be, desirous to preserve a good correspondence with the House of Peers,". An IP deleted some earlier dates. Dougweller (talk) 14:56, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Intro: Magna Carta

First para says: "In 1215, the tenants-in-chief secured Magna Carta from King John, which established that the king might not levy or collect any taxes (except the feudal taxes to which they were hitherto accustomed), save with the consent of his royal council, which gradually developed into a parliament."

Problem is, the royal council stipulated by Magna Carta as necessary for raising certain forms of (certainly not all) taxes was entailed by a clause that was omitted from Henry III's reissues of the charter after John had had it annulled by the Pope. Therefore it is incorrect to say that Parliament developed out of it. The Provisions of Oxford of 1258 are more directly connected with the origins of Parliament. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.198.232.67 (talk) 08:18, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Yikes. It's 2022 and this lede is still a mess. I just noticed that the lede's second sentence says: The first English Parliament was convened in 1215, with the creation and signing of Magna Carta. This is completely incorrect. Ltwin (talk)

I removed all references to Magna Carta in the lede. Now, the lede states that Parliament evolved from the great council, which first became known as "parliament" during Henry III's reign. Ltwin (talk) 06:41, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

The supremacy of Parliament...

...Was established after the Glorious Revolution, not the Restoration, according to every book or other source I have ever read or looked at. The Restoration saw the constitution restored to its state in 1642, when the supremacy of Parliament was by no means an established principle.--Pig house (talk) 17:10, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

It depends on how one looks at it, despite the legal fiction, the trial and execution of Charles I had in practice resolved where supremacy/sovereignty lay. It suited the later Whig historians and the more moderate Tories to go along with the fiction that things changed with the Glorious Revolution. However it took a Convention Parliament (1660) to invite Charles II to be crowned under a restored monarchy and if the repblicans had got their act together it would never have happened. The legal fiction could only exist because of the acts passed after the restoration to send into oblivion the laws passed under the Comonwealth and Protectorate -- PBS (talk) 14:52, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Where are the citations?

This long article has a surprising dearth of citations. Whole paragraphs and sections go by without a source. Thus, I've added a source tag.Chagallophile (talk) 19:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

750th anniversary

Parliament is celebrating its 750th anniversary on 20th January 2015[1] and the BBC [2] are planning a "Democracy Day" of live events, discussions and debate, in partnership with the Speaker’s Office of the House of Commons, including broadcasts from inside Westminster. Correspondingly, I'll change the date that Parliament began in the info box to 20 January 1265 (i.e. the date the first parliament met rather than 14 December 1264 when it was summoned, which is discussed elsewhere in the article so not lost). Whizz40 (talk) 18:33, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Suggested improvement - eligibility for membership

In discussing an institution that existed through religious helter-skelters from the Reformation to the Glorious Revolution, it would be interesting for some information to be added on qualifications for membership, eg property qualifications, religious disabilities, which would have been governed by Acts of Parliament itself. I note the Forty Shilling Freeholders are already mentioned.Cloptonson (talk) 09:49, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

I Sandrakd1251 (talk) 05:45, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

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