Talk:Paro Taktsang

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Where is it?

Moved from Taktshang

To avoid confusion, I moved this article from Taktshang to Paro Taktsang (spa phro stag tshang) / (spa gro stag tshang) ). Taktsang Senge Samdup (stag tshang seng ge bsam grub) in the Paro valley of Bhutan is only one of thirteen taktsang, or "Tiger Lair", sacred caves in Tibet and Bhutan established and blessed by Guru Padmasambhava. Chris Fynn Chris Fynn (talk) 12:28, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Where is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nevster007 (talk • contribs) 20:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It is in Bhutan. The expanded artcile gives all details.--Nvvchar (talk) 01:32, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Affiliation

Although this monastery is at a sacred site associated with the Nyingma tradition - and, prior to the time of Shabdrung Ngawang Namgyal, there was formerly a shrine built there by a Nyingma lama belonging to the Katok tradition - since the 17th century it has been a Drukpa Kagyu establishment. Chris Fynn (talk) 14:03, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Providing you can source it add it. You'll have to ask an admin to move the page back.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:25, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved already Kotniski (talk) 11:39, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

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Taktsang Dzong → Paro Taktsang — on 11 April 2010 this article was moved from Paro Taktsang to Taktsang Dzong with the rationale "4 times the google hits as this" However I get 52,500 google hits for “Paro Taksang” but only 5,490 for “Taksang Dzong” - so the rationale for that move seems flawed. In Bhutan, where I live, this monastery is popularly known as "Paro Taktsang" *not* "Taktsang Dzong" - so I think this article should be moved back to Paro Taktsang. Chris Fynn (talk) 16:17, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

“Paro Taksang” - 52,500 hits + "Paro Taktsang" 12,600 hits (65,100)

vs “Taksang Dzong” 5,490 hits + "Taktsang Dzong" 1,490 hits (6,980)

Chris Fynn (talk) 16:40, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved Festival Section

I've moved the festival section that was in this article to the Rinpung Dzong (Paro Dzong) article where it properly belongs as the Tsechu festival mentioned and illustrated is held there not at Paro Taksang.

Chris Fynn (talk) 17:18, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Slight problem with a sentence under "Other structures within the precincts"

Under "Other structures within the precincts":

"Taktshang Zangdo Pari is the place where Padmasmbahava’s wife, known as the “Fairy of Wisdom”, Yashe Tshogyal (Ye-shes mtsho-rgyal), the founder of the Mon, a convent, by the same name as Taktshang and also two other convents."

Taktshang Zangdo Pari is the place where Padmasmbahava’s wife [did what]? Just like saying "That tree is where Bill, otherwise known as Robert."

Is it meant to be "Taktshang Zangdo Pari is the place where Padmasmbahava’s wife, known as the “Fairy of Wisdom”, Yashe Tshogyal (Ye-shes mtsho-rgyal), the founder of the Mon, [named] a convent, by the same name as Taktshang[, as well as] two other convents." (Still a bit grammar iffy... what should the sentence actually mean?)

Just unsure as to what it should be :) Thanks! Bubbathemonkey (talk) 01:34, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Paro Taktsang/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

Starts GA Reassessment. The reassessmment will follow the same sections of the Article. --Whiteguru (talk) 10:30, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

 

 

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Result: Delisted. Legitmate concerns, tags on page, no opposition or improvements made. --Whiteguru (talk) 00:38, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Observations

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

• Prose is well scribed.
• Article layout follows MOS

1. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

• Reference 2 is a vague link and does not go to the appropriate page. A more appropriate link is found here.
• Reference 4 does not refer to Padmasambhava as tutelary deity of Bhutan nor Tibet.
• Timeline of Bhutanese history gives dates for visits by Padmasambhava to Bhutan, and his activities, including this monastery. It is here that Padmasambhava is referred to as the national patron saint
• Examination of references in the Lede does not support This place was consecrated to tame the Tiger demon.
• It has been mentioned by authors
• This dance is performed in Paro as the Tsche festival. → Tshechu festival.
• Recommend archive version of Reference 13
• Reference 16 is a dead link.
• Reference 17 is a dead link and has no archive version.

1. a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

• Establishment as a meditation site this section relies upon a single source (which is not accessible).
• The section Other structures within the precincts has been tagged since 2018 about no citation of sources
• The section Paintings has been tagged since 2018 about no citation of sources

1. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

• (the formal State Religion of Bhutan) should be moved from Structure to the Lede. Mentioning the religion of Bhutan in the description of a cave is manifestly inappropriate.

1. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

2. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

• This is a somewhat older article created on 21 December 2005
• Pageviews
• 90 day Pageviews: 18,972
• Daily average: 208
• Page has had 183 editors since its creation in 2005
• Most of the top editors have not visited this page since 2016.
• A stable page with no edit wars noted.

1. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

• 10 images on the article
• Takshang edit.jpg = Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license.
• First glimpse of Taktshang.jpg = Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 Generic license.
• Paro Padmasambhava.jpg = Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license.
• Milarepa statue.jpg = Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 Generic license. (Image relevance challenged. Article is about a monastery, dominant figure is Guru Rimpoche, not Milarepa)
• Dance of the Black Hats - Paro Tsechu.jpg = Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license.
• Pinus wallichiana Bhutan2.jpg = Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 Generic license.
• Taktshang (Tiger's Nest) Monastery, Paro Valley.jpg = This file has no description, and may be lacking other information. = Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license.
• Tigernest (Taktsang)-Kloster in Bhutan 2.jpg = Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.0 Generic license.
• Taktsang prayer wheel.jpg = Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 Generic license.
• Taktshang2.jpg = Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license. Subject to disclaimers. (This is likely unnecessary - there are 4 images of this monastery on this page.

1. Notifying Editors:

• Editor Nvvchar: Latest logged action 2016-08-31 11:11
• Editor Tibetan Prayer: Latest logged action 2017-03-29 11:57
• Editor Agnostic Monk: Latest logged action 2017-03-08 08:48
• Editor Lorde1801: Latest logged action 2020-06-29 13:58
• A total of three involved editors were able to be notified. Updated, --Whiteguru (talk) 09:41, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

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1. Overall:

• For this article to retain GA status, some work is needed.
• There are two tags on the page about not citing sources which need to be rectified or this article will most likely lose GA status. --Whiteguru (talk) 08:52, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

• Legitimate concerns raised above were not addressed. Should editors seek another reassessment, the issues raised above need to be addressed first before a reassessment can be commenced. --Whiteguru (talk) 00:35, 23 May 2021 (UTC)