Talk:Parole

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parole

Regarding Ferdinand de Saussure's terms 'langue' and 'parole', they aren't all that complex. I seriously doubt whether there is any other material to add to the lingustic stub. I suggest that it be removed, the description on Saussure's page should suffice.

As regards the other definition of Parole. As Wiki isn't a dictionary, could we also remove this entry, and thus the whole page? Dduck 19:48, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hopefully it's a bit more than just a dictionary entry now. There's certainly room for more article content - parole boards, nature of supervision, most definitely information on parole in countries besides the US. 66.167.132.156 06:52, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

As for the linguistic meaning: Someone comes across the term somewhere, doesn't understand it, types it into Wikipedia thinking that's an encyclopaedia and, according to Dduck, should get either only the legal meaning or nothing at all. I don't see why. I agree with 66.167.132.156 that much more can be written here. --KF 21:12, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

California

I removed the following paragraph, as it is rather POV. It also seems rather odd to focus on one state.

California has a notoriously harsh parole system. The California Supreme Court has held that the Board of Prison Terms has carte blanche to refuse to parole an indeterminate life prisoner for any reason, including the vicious nature of the act upon which the original conviction was based, and the refusal of the otherwise well-behaved prisoner to stop proclaiming his innocence (which the Board is entitled to use as evidence that he is not rehabilitated). In re Dannenberg, 34 Cal. 4th 1061 (2005). Since crimes that get an indeterminate life sentence are usually vicious to begin with, the Dannenberg holding means that most indeterminate life sentences in California will become de facto life sentences.

If someone wants to rewrite this in an NPOV manner, go ahead. GoCardinal 09:41, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

I contributed that paragraph. I disagree that the paragraph is POV---it is important to point out the contradiction inherent in a parole system where it is nearly impossible to get out. Parole then becomes completely nonsensical and a false hope. The more rational solution would be to just give out life sentences without the possibility of parole, or longer determinate sentences for years, as is currently done in the federal sentencing system and by a few states.

However, I do agree that the paragraph is too California-specific and should remain out of the article until citations to several other states can be added. Unfortunately, I am too busy right now with other priorities to research parole case law in all 50 states. If anyone else following this article can do that, it would be great. --Coolcaesar 16:44, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Merge of Medical parole

Medical parole has had no edits for nearly 2 years. Part of it is already covered in parole so I suggest it be merged here. If you do not agree, please suggest an alternative way of getting knowledgeable editors to improve it. --Bduke 06:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Parole in the US

After reading this article, I still don't have a clue about what a parole is in the united states. The article describes only when and why it happens, but not what happens. --63.226.216.238 03:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Bad Link

The first reference:

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--parolequestioned0505may05,0,1199416.story

is a bad link. Should it be removed? mdkarazim (talk) 17:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Americacentric?

I came here to look for parole as a topic world wide, and its just full of americana! As if the whole parole idea was thought up by an american. very unencycopediac. Sparkyboi (talk) 22:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Parole vs. probation

Although I think that the respective articles on parole and probation do make the differences between them clear if you read both articles, I suggest that a short section be added to each article that clearly explains the distinction between them, and provide a cross reference to the other article. Thomas.Hedden (talk) 17:08, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Chesire incident

The accused perpetrators of the infamous July 2007 Cheshire, Connecticut home invasion were convicted burglars paroled from Connecticut prisons. [1][2] The New York Daily News has called on parole to be abolished in the wake of this massacre [3] On September 21, 2007 Governor M. Jodi Rell announced a moratorium on the parole of violent offenders in the wake of the Cheshire massacre [4]

Basically, this is just a news item, and one example, at that. The problem with one example is that sets the stage for more and more examples, to where it becomes like a Popular Culture section, which is a Very Bad Thing. A better way would be to list stats from a study or something. Arguably, (IMO of course) the most famous incident of a "paroled criminal killing someone" would be Willie Horton, which was critical in Dukakis' defeat in the 1988 election. hbdragon88 (talk) 20:47, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Well actually Willie Horton was sentenced to life without parole and was furlonged, which is different.

Validity of life without parole and gun rights

I removed the following from the Modern History Section

At the same time, most other nations, such as European nations and Mexico, have abolished life without the possibility of parole because it is considered cruel. Regardless of the 'validity' of parole, a convicted felon is not permitted to own or carry firearms at any time within the US.

I see this as POV, arguing that life without parole is cruel and questioning the validity of parole. At the very least, the European nations should be named and citations provided showing the reason they no longer issue life without parole sentences is that they find it to be cruel. The gun issue does not fit into that paragraph, but may be appropriate somewhere else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eastshire (talk • contribs) 17:19, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Regardless of other issues with that passage, the phrasing in my opinion is not 'POV'. It would be 'POV' (a Wikipedia article promoting a certain opinion) if it read, for example: 'life imprisonment without possibility of parole is cruel, therefore several countries have abolished it'. However saying that certain nations (at least the lawmakers there) held something as cruel, is not itself an opinion, it only attibutes an opinion to other people. Bever (talk) 16:32, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

befuddled expression

"Parole should not be confused with probation, as parole is serving the remainder of a sentence outside of prison, where probation is given instead of a prison sentence and as such, tends to place more rigid obligations upon the individual serving the term." ???? As such ... the term (sentence, yes?) does not exist (for a probation circumstance) thus the qualifier invalidates the distinction. The all important intro paragraph is wrough with a lack of any clarity. Cisum.ili.dilm (talk) 21:28, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

@Cisum.ili.dilm: This phrase seems to be completely gone from the article, now. Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. Thin Smek) (talk) 16:37, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Removed sentence

I removed a sentence ("One proposed reform is that parole bonds be used to encourage defendants not to re-offend. ") from the lead as it did not connect to anything around it. I am placing it on this talk page as it should probably be restored to the article, but placed in a dedicated "Parole reform" section. --Khajidha (talk) 12:32, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

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Fees

Fees for ankle monitors and much more, I am reading about. No mention of this in the article. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:26, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Anna Frodesiak:, if you think anything should be in this article, you are welcome to try adding it:

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Gamification?

Prisoners earned marks through good behavior, lost them through bad behavior...

Is it an early example of gamification of life? Zezen (talk) 22:04, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Sentence changed about politics

The article originally said "The United States is the only nation in the world where parole is a politically divisive issue." I find this completely impossible (probably the opinion of the author of the source, but I didn't look at the source), so I changed it to "Parole in the United States has proven to be politically divisive". —Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 04:32, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Porel

Can your porel be extended if your classes drug alcohol mental health aren't done before your porel is up can they extend your porel I've have 6 months left I get off in October 18 th this year I'm just trying to get this clarified I haven't been in any trouble arrested or anything the compservices is really backed up because of covid like a month between appointments please answer this question 2600:6C42:6700:271:9D2C:E744:59E3:4B7E (talk) 19:46, 8 May 2022 (UTC)