Talk:Partial androgen insensitivity syndrome

Parts I’m confused about.

The article mentions how they have a male gender identity or are raised as males. Those mentions confuse me because they are males they have testes and XY chromosomes.

Even if they have underdeveloped male phenotypes or have some female characteristics they are males. Saying they have a male gender identity or are raised males gives a indication that they aren’t males. CycoMa (talk) 16:13, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I am not an intersex person, but here is some comment. Female and male are binary labels which do not as such exist in nature. Especially when it comes to bodies of people with intersex variations, it is nonsensical to try to label the bodies as "essentially" male or female. The confusion arises from the socially habituated impulse to need sex labeled as either male or female which is really not necessary and often harmful, people and their bodies are more complicated than such binaries on many levels. Moreover, in respectful language today, male and female refer to gender identity, not to sex. --Mangostaniko (talk) 18:51, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

So I hope this can help you in the confusion.

Humans are a sexually dimorphic species, meaning there are clear differences between the sexes, including, but not limited to genitals. A great example is our skeletal system. Normally, females have pelvic bones that are needed to bear babies, and normally, males do not have the same bone structure.

However, in cases of Intersex conditions for example, a male with AIS could actually be born with the bone structure of a female, and when X-Rayed, this would be found rather quickly. It's rather common for those with AIS, who were either born male, or assigned male because of surgery to look indistinguishable from any other female, and it's very common when they start going through puberty, depending on the severity of damage to the Androgen Receptors, will grow up looking like a woman, or grow up looking like a woman on testosterone. And this is with ZERO medical intervention.

Historically, in some circles, if the condition is known of, before they start puberty, their doctor would offer a choice of living as a male, or female, because either choice requires HRT in order to stay healthy. Those who do choose to live as males, and take Testosterone usually have a hard time, because their bodies have a difficult time absorbing the testosterone, so most if it is converted to estrogen. CoBlindBiker (talk) 08:42, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

I’m not saying it isn’t complicated. But nearly all scientific sources agree the people with androgen insensitivity syndrome are males.

It’s just they didn’t respond to male hormones so they have variations of phenotypes.

Plus male and female are biological terms men and women are social terms. CycoMa (talk) 03:39, 20 April 2020 (UTC)