Talk:Partido Demokratiko Pilipino/Archive 1

Archive 1

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"The color yellow was also originally used by PDP-Laban from the 80's until the mid-2010s, where it became more often used by the LP." This statement is not supported by references [41] and [44]. One mentioned something about recruitment of LP and the other provided a background story of PDP-Laban. Neither of them mentioned that yellow was used by PDP-Laban in 80's, but in mind-2010s became more often used by LP. Gretenov (talk) 13:14, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

NPOV

Starting with the Mission and vision section, this article is extremely biased. Peacock28 (talk) 02:08, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Volunteer

How can one become a member of PDP-Laban? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.47.67 (talk) 13:26, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 15 September 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. Unopposed for over two weeks. Jenks24 (talk) 07:24, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

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Partido Demokratiko Pilipino-Lakas ng Bayan → PDP-Laban – WP:CONCISE & WP:COMMONNAME. The short name is used more frequently. Same with Lakas-CMD. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 21:55, 15 September 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 09:35, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Number 57 22:09, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

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PDP–Laban → Partido Demokratiko Pilipino–Lakas ng Bayan – In most WP:RS in English where this party is involved, the "first mention", and presumably, the WP:COMMONNAME for this party is Partido Demokratiko Pilipino–Lakas ng Bayan. On subsequent mentions, it is shortened to "PDP-Laban", but presumably this is like Miley Cyrus or the United Nations or Guiuan, Eastern Samar being called "Miley" (or "Cyrus"), "UN" and "Guiuan", respectively, on subsequent mentions on a report about those subjects. For examples, see Philippine Star, Sun.Star, GMA News and CNN Philippines. Granted, this is not universal, but even on sources that do use "PDP-Laban" on its first mention such as ABS-CBN here, these sources still use the full name in other articles about this subject such as here, and here.

(Note that I would've moved this myself but saw that there was an RS about this last year, so I figured another RS should be definitive in the article being moved or staying here. –HTD 12:16, 22 January 2016 (UTC)) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 09:51, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Oppose per nominator of previous request. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 02:50, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Oppose as per WP:CONCISE. As per WP:DESCRIPDIS the current title is not ambiguous enough with the word "Laban" which is not an acronym attached to it. The full name could be a viable redirect. The "first mention" in media sources is not necessarily the common name. WP:CONCISE is more restricted when it comes to names of people requiring a first name and a surname. Guiuian, Eastern Samar should be moved to just "Guiuian" while UN can be ambiguous depending on the context as exemplified by the existence of UN (disambiguation).Hariboneagle927 (talk) 05:56, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

I find the "The "first mention" in media sources is not necessarily the common name." argument as the most baffling of all possible arguments that you can think of in naming disputes. Of course, the first mention in any reliable source is the most common name. And it's "Guiuan, Eastern Samar", with one "i".

Finally, "LABAN" (the political party actually prefers "PDP-LABAN" in all caps) is an abbrievation for "Lakas ng Bayan". I dunno where you got the idea that "Laban" doesn't mean something else. –HTD 03:47, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

ETA: "UN" is so unambiguous, "UN" redirects to United Nations. Same case for Guiuan. –HTD 03:52, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Support Unlike the other two, I strongly believe in consistency between political party articles. If we're looking for unambiguous, clear titles for political parties in the Philippines, the only logical thing to do is to move them to their full names unless it's not practical (e.g. A TEACHER, which has a really long name). --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 14:34, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Oppose "PDP-Laban" is much in use that it falls under WP:COMMONNAME. The name already in use in the article should be maintained as is to follow common usage.--TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 12:36, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Comment PDP and Partido Demokratiko Pilipino are both common names for the party, just like when someone mentions Namfrel people know what it stands for. (Same as NLEX). This is unlike PAGASA where it is rarely referred to in the media by its long form.--RioHondo (talk) 02:05, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Support For consistency with related articles: Lakas ng Bayan (its predecessor), as well as its wings/coalitions Laban ng Demokratikong Pilipino and United Nationalist Democratic Organization. Major national political parties need not be abbreviated as their full names are regularly mentioned in the news.--RioHondo (talk) 01:42, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

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Typo in the article - PDP-Lapan?

I noticed that in the text "PDP-Lapan" is used numerous time in the article instead of "PDP-Laban". Is this a typo or intentional? Pierreqa (talk)

Current events

Since there appears to be an ongoing leadership scuffle within PDP-Laban (as of July 27, 2018), should we add a current events header? Hijo de Caridad95 (talk) 14:07, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

PDP-Laban no longer centre-left?

Yesterday 180.190.58.1 changed the party's political orientation from centre-left to right wing. What's the source for that? WisdomTooth3 (talk) 07:29, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

What was the source for calling it center left in the first place? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:547:C00:EE30:D596:6F60:94D:EB23 (talk) 23:43, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm surprised it's centre-anything, unless centre these days means extrajudicial killings... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.33.42 (talk) 11:35, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Until there's any solid proof that PDP-LABAN is left, right, or center, perhaps the party's ideological position should be left blank. As far as media sources describe, the party adheres to democratic socialism. Perhaps further research should be done to determine the party's actual orientation without resorting to guessing. Hijo de Caridad95 (talk) 07:35, 15 February 2021 (UTC)