Talk:Pasta e fagioli

Navy beans

Can navy beans be used? Badagnani (talk) 03:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Cannellini and Navy are both varieties of White Beans, so it's likely Navy Beans are substituted in the US and Britain where they are popular while the traditional Cannellini is fairly unheard of. It's also mentioned as an ingredient in the song "According to Van and Schenck" as linked to on the entry itself. To Quote:

Schenck: Pasta Fazool-? What does that mean? Van: That's-a noodles with-a navy beans. 68.113.41.247 (talk) 06:08, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Reversion by User:Badagnani

Could you please explain your reversion of my edits? My edits were explained in the edit summary; you had no edit summary. --Macrakis (talk) 18:12, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

The grammar and usage of single quotes was not good, and too much was arbitrarily removed. Badagnani (talk) 18:54, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Nothing was "arbitrarily" removed. The external link was removed following WP:EL policy. For the rest, the language was tightened up without removing any content. I replaced contracted words like "don't" with the standard written form "do not". I removed the redundant (and poorly phrased) "that is now a frequent menu item throughout the world" since the next sentence says "today it can be widely found, even in restaurants that don't feature Italian cuisine". I replaced the wordy and awkward "The consistency of the dish can vary, as some renditions fall clearly in the soup category, usually because the tomato was left out, while others are much thicker." with "The consistency of the dish can vary from a soup, usually without tomato, to a stew-like thickness." which says the same thing with better wording.

You may disagree with some of these changes, but a blanket revert seems inappropriate. I will start by removing the external link to a non-notable recipe and await your discussion of the rest. --Macrakis (talk) 20:46, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Origins of dish

Similar dishes may have been around before Columbus, but both cannellini and borlotti beans (not to mention tomatoes) are New World. It would be interesting to know how the dish was made earlier. --Macrakis (talk) 20:53, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

External link policy

The external links that were previously in the article (links to some recipe site with no particular claim to authoritativeness) and which have now been added to this article (links to image searches on flickr) do not follow relevant WP policy. The flickr links count as "Links normally to be avoided" both because they are search results pages (point 9) and social networking sites (point 10).

I certainly agree that good photos are desirable, but that's not the way to do it. Also, I'd appreciate your not using the word "blanking" (which normally refers to vandalism) rather than simply "deleting".

I will not revert, simply because I try to follow the zero-revert rule. --Macrakis (talk) 14:41, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

• I agree. Removed. --Faith (talk) 03:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

A scan of the "free" photos of this dish at Flickr shows that none of them is optimal; the best ones are not released under free licenses. It doesn't prevent any one of us, however, from writing to any of the Flickr photographers and asking for their permission to use one of their photos; when this is done, the Flickr photo links could certainly be removed, as would be reasonable. Badagnani (talk) 18:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I believe that is a reasonable thing to do. --Macrakis (talk) 19:49, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

There is such great variation in the appearance of the dishes in the Flickr photographs (under both spellings) that I'm not sure which should be presented as the representative photo in our article. I'd like to ask for other editors' expert assistance in going through all the Flickr photos and selecting the most representative photo, which we can then ask the photographer's permission to use. Badagnani (talk) 20:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Photos

(moved from article per above point that they are against WP policy --Faith (talk) 04:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC))

• Pasta e fagioli photos
• Pasta fagioli photos

Kindly read the above discussion before commenting further, thanks. Badagnani (talk) 04:11, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I read the above coversation, which doesn't trump the fact that search results (which can and will change) don't belong in an article. That's why I moved them here, where they serve the same basic purpose of allowing someone to choose. --Faith (talk) 04:17, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Please stop edit warring. You're quite incorrect about the policy, which I'm very familiar with. Please also read the discussion just above. It's best to read such discussion before engaging in edit warring, so that you get a sense of prior activity on a page, before jumping in with repeated removals, which in this case are not merited nor called for. Badagnani (talk) 04:21, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Read, and if you will note responded, already. Two users have now stated the same thing; therefore, I suggest it's you going against the flow in this. --Faith (talk) 04:25, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Insisting that our users have no accessible variety of photos of this dish robs our users of valuable information. The fact that two users insist on robbing our users of such information does not make it right, and insisting that it violates our policy when it does not, does not make it violate our policy. Please stop edit warring and restore the links for our users pending the release of a free photo, as in the above discussion, thanks. Badagnani (talk) 04:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

The links are available to the users from the talk page, the appropriate venue for search engine results listings (#9, per above policy link). Minority opinion doesn't make your opinion correct either. --Faith (talk) 04:43, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect. The photos are of paramount importance in showing the variety of this dish, and the website linked to is not MySpace or Facebook. It contains a wide variety of photos of this dish, which you are insisting our users not have access to. This talk page is used for discussing improvements to the page and insisting that our users have no access to such photos does not improve the article. Please restore the links and stop edit warring, thanks. Badagnani (talk) 04:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Exactly that the users will have access to the photos when they visit the talk page to improve the article. The criteria you list is #10, not #9. Perhaps you aren't as familar with the policy as you assume you are. --Faith (talk) 04:56, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Added New Photos

Somewhat in trepidation due to the spirited discussion above, uploaded to Commons and added two CC-BY-2.0 photos from Flikr to the article to show a couple of variants of the soup. Geoff (talk) 21:19, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Language origin

The first paragraph says it’s Neapolitan, then it says Campana, then some wise guy wrote “it’s Sicilian.” Which one is it? Alexandermoir (talk) 17:41, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Image

Should we change the first image showcasing the dish? It uses penne which is rarely used in the dish. I don’t think it is an accurate representation of the soup. RyanMarder (talk) 14:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)