Talk:Patrick J. Ryan (chaplain)/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: Darth Stabro (talk · contribs) 04:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: HistoryTheorist (talk · contribs) 00:57, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Hey, I am interested in reviewing this article. If you are able, I would like to be able to access the paywalled sources, but I understand if you can't give me access. Will start reviewing soon. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 00:57, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

If you send me your email address via the Wikipedia email form, I can send you PDFs of the relevant pages. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 01:19, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Great! Thanks! I will most likely send you substantive comments over the weekend. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 01:35, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Update: Real life has not given me much opportunities to review in earnest, I'm hoping to have comments by the end of this week. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 03:07, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

No worries! I totally understand! ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 03:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Initial comments

• You might want to leave an in-line citation for Ryan's retirement date.

• Done. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 02:40, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

• Perhaps change the wording Only briefly a parish priest after his ordination for the Archdiocese of Saint Paul in 1927? It makes it sound like Ryan was a priest and then quit to become part of the Army.

• That is essentially what happened. Do you think that sentence needs to be rephrased to be clear that his military service was as a priest chaplain and that he didn't simply quite the priesthood? ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 02:40, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

• This isn't super relevant to the GA-worthiness of the article, I think that it will likely pass, but the manual of style advises using MDY format (e.g. December 3, 1902) instead of DMY format. I would recommend changing the dates to that format and adding a {{use mdy dates}} template to automatically switch the MDY format in citations.

• I was following MOS:MILFORMAT which states that articles about U.S. military subjects should be DMY,s but it seems like other U.S. military biographies do that use that so I'll change it back. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 02:40, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Whoops you're right! You can change it back to DMY if you want! This is my first military biography review so thanks for pointing that out. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 03:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

• You might also want to write out the abbreviations in the image captions, as not everybody will be easily able to pick up what MG stands for.

• Sounds good! ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 02:40, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Source Check

@Darth Stabro:, Thank you for sending me sources to my email! This aspect of the GA review might take awhile as I am waiting for The Wikipedia Library is currently reviewing my application for newspapers.com access. Although I will not check all of the sources listed, it might take a while for me to access the ones I do want to verify. I want to be transparent about the review's progress, so thank you for your patience as I slowly work through sourcing. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 20:54, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Well, it looks like you used the padlock to indicate newspapers.com access, I can technically review all the sources thanks to the email. May try to complete sooner, depending on what real life allows me to accomplish. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 02:58, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

In the meantime:

• I'm looking through source #7, and you might want to add some biographical details found in the last paragraph, specifically the brief mention about Fr. Ryan's time in the Hawaii and other activities mentioned there. Would be an interesting addition to the article, especially that he helped with organizing the first chaplain corps for the Brazilian army.

• Wonderful, that slipped by me! ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 02:40, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

• The time in the Hawaiian Islands seems to have already been mentioned in the first paragraph of Military career, when he is mentioned being at Fort Shafter and Fort Kamehameha.~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 02:49, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

  Ah! Then that's my ctrl-f laziness on display there. All good . ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 02:52, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

• Sadly I can't find anything about when the Brazilian military training happened, so I'm not sure where to put it. Given that the source was published in March 1946, it seems like it'd have to be before World War II but I'm just not sure where it should be placed. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 02:55, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

• Alrighty then, it was worth a shot, especially since he did receive decorations from the Brazilian army, most likely in helping them organize Brazil's chaplain corps. Will keep my eye on the lookout if I find anything ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 03:02, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

• Question: Source #7 indicates that Fr. Ryan received a Bronze Medal of Valor with star from Italy. I'm not super familiar with military awards, but is this part of the Order of the Crown of Italy?

• Not entirely sure. Dare we hope the rest of the Internet Archive pops back up this weekend... ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 02:40, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

• Y Sourcing from #7 checks out, pending comments you have responded to. I would recommend adding the Brazilian decoration to the awards and decorations section, and would enjoy seeing some info about his work in Brazil, but won't make a big deal about it for GA.
• Y source #1 mostly checks out
  • On further review, I do not see where you are getting his mother's full name and his father's name from the listed source. I could be straining my eyes and could have missed something.
• Y source #16 checks out, especially the quote. Don't know if you need ellipsis if you are quoting Fr. Ryan's words directly though.