Talk:Paul Craig

Requested move 4 July 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Pages moved per RM initiator. Arguments should be based on either policy or guidelines, but the arguments by the opposition were not. Also, WP:INFOPAGES and WP:ESSAYS are neither policy or guidelines. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 15:39, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

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• Paul Craig (fighter) → Paul Craig
• Paul Craig → Paul Craig (disambiguation)

– The law professor, soccer player, and runner get 0-3 views per day, whereas the fighter gets an average of over 3000. A month ago, he had 63000 views because of the event he was on, but he regularly averages 1000-3000 views, confirming he is the primary topic. There should be a hatnote that will go to the diambiguation page should this move be approved. Marty2Hotty (talk) 02:13, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Even discounting the spike in views in the past month, the fighter has been the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC per page views for several years now. Rublov (talk) 01:13, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nom. HeinzMaster (talk) 19:44, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. I don't think this Paul Craig is well-known enough to qualify as primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:59, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Did you not see the numbers? Marty2Hotty (talk) 15:11, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
    • I see someone who will be briefly well-known. But no form of long-term significance. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:58, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose as pure recentism. There is no problem here that needs fixing, the current solution works best. Long-term notability isn't currently determinable, and the fact that page views have jumped recently nisn't an indication of anything of much. Sean Stephens (talk) 00:37, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
  • the fighter is by far the most significant of the individuals listed there. The purpose is to allow visitors to locate who they are searching for easily. Marty2Hotty (talk) 16:11, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. RafaelHP (talk) 06:39, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
• Support. Clear long-term primary topic. Very obviously not "recentism" as the fighter has consistently been getting orders of magnitude more pageviews since late 2018. Lennart97 (talk) 09:36, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

DOB

Hi SCB, all MMA fighters' pages (1.2K) in Wikipedia use Sherdog and DOB of MMA fighter is well-publish in many independent, reliable sources which is not violet BLP guidelines. Be safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 09:07, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cassiopeia: WP:DOB must be widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object. The closing statement on the Sherdog RFC was, Overall, the consensus is that the source should be used with caution, on a case-by-case basis. Any source that must be used with caution is not appropriate for personal details in a BLP, and Sherdog isn't linked to the subject. Unfortunately, I'm struggling to find evidence that it's been widely published by reliable sources. It should not be restored until it's been demonstrated that WP:DOB is satisfied. – ².O.^Boxing 09:55, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Just to clarify, sources like Sportskeeda and other such user-generated "celeb net worth" websites aren't appropriate either. That's all I can find in my searches. – ².O.^Boxing 09:59, 29 May 2023 (UTC)