Talk:Paul Kruger

"unjust cause"?

"while critics view him as the obstinate guardian of an unjust cause." This is unsourced and what would that be? Boer Independence doing injustice to the British empire? --197.229.133.233 (talk) 12:17, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

This is a paraphrasing of the sourced statement in the "Appraisal and legacy" section that "to critics he was 'an anachronistic throwback', the stubborn, slippery guardian of an unjust cause and an oppressor of black Africans". This is sourced to Davenport in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. The original quote is: "Alternatively, he was a stubborn trickster, the shifty defender of an immoral cause, 'dribbling out reforms like water from a squeezed sponge', and tough on the black population." So the "unjust cause" Davenport is referring to seems to be how his government's manner of running the South African Republic. —  Cliftonian (talk)  16:25, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Kruger Millions

A new article has just popped up at Kruger Millions - I was considering redirecting it here, but this article doesn't seem to mention anything about the legend. Is there a reason for that? --McGeddon (talk) 20:10, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Vaguely from memory the legend is that just before fleeing to Europe in 1900 Kruger had millions in gold bullion buried for some reason, presumably to deny it to the British (?). Doesn't really make sense to me as this is the same Kruger who refused to destroy the gold mines when the British advanced, on the grounds that whoever won the war the gold was important to help rebuild the country. Anyway, I don't believe there's much evidence for this myth, probably worth a footnote at best. Cheers —  Cliftonian (talk)  20:34, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Pronunciation

I've always understood - but I may be wrong - that Kruger's name is pronounced in Afrikaans without an audible 'g' sound, which means the 'Dutch' pronunciation given here would be incorrect (except in Dutch, which was not the language Kruger spoke). In an Afrikaans course I once took, the name of the Kruger National Park ('Krugerwildtuin') was quite clearly pronounced without an audible 'g'.213.127.210.95 (talk) 19:40, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I always thought of him as Paul Kruger but I do suggest he be thought of as Paul Kruger with two dots over the "u" for certain uncommon spellings. My grandmother a Kruger herself has stated it is pronounced without the "g" with emphasis on the "u". - 156.155.229.5 3:07, 22 Aug 2021 (SAST)

Afrikaans does not have any umlauts. In German, there is the name "Krüger", but it is pronounced close to "Kreeger" and does not help here. --Hob Gadling (talk) 07:25, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

FAR

The article has similar issues to other southern Africa FAs by the same user, namely it ignores some stronger and more up to date sources including:

• Mbenga, Bernard K. (24 February 2007). "Forced labour in the Pilanesberg: the flogging of Chief Kgamanyane by Commandant Paul Kruger, Saulspoort, April 1870". Journal of Southern African Studies. 23 (1): 127–140. doi:10.1080/03057079708708526.
• Carruthers, Jane (24 February 2007). "Dissecting the myth: Paul Kruger and the Kruger National Park". Journal of Southern African Studies. 20 (2): 263–283. doi:10.1080/03057079408708399.
• Labuschagne, Pieter (1 January 2011). "Memorial complexity and political change : Paul Kruger's statue's political travels through space and time". South African Journal of Art History. 26 (3): 142–154. ISSN 0258-3542.
• Grobler, Hennie (24 February 2007). "Dissecting the Kruger myth with blunt instruments: a rebuttal of Jane Carruthers's view". Journal of Southern African Studies. 22 (3): 455–472. doi:10.1080/03057079608708505.

buidhe 23:25, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Buidhe are you still concerned about the sourcing used in this article (and thus want to bring it to FAR) or shall we remove this from WP:FARGIVEN? Z1720 (talk) 17:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

It's not the absolute worst article but I still think it needs improvement to meet the FAC criteria so it should not be removed from FARGIVEN. (t · c) buidhe 18:21, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

This is one of the oldest articles at WP:FARGIVEN. In an effort to clear out that list, I'm going to give a second notice to this article and see if anyone is interested in addressing the above concerns. If not, this article may go to FAR for a wider discussion about the article's comprehensiveness, due to the sources listed above and in the "Further reading" section of the article. I do not know about the concerns with the nominator's articles, so maybe buidhe will be able to give more information about that. I am also concerned about the WP:SANDWICH of images but this is a secondary concern. Z1720 (talk) 01:13, 6 November 2022 (UTC)