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Terminology
editMurder is a term that should be used only after a legal judgment of some sort, most often a trial but sometimes a coronor's inquest (although there the death is sometimes said to be "at the hands of another"). Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 03:01, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
If it wasn't murder than what was it? Meanfrank (talk) 21:24, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- He's widely cited as her murderer. Further input on this is always welcome. Gwen Gale (talk) 12:10, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
- I agree, that legalistic point is not well taken as there is no doubt as to what happened, so the use of the term murder as commonly understood is appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.198.30.48 (talk) 17:18, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
Use of the term Groomed in the sentence: where she was working part-time while still attending high school and groomed her to become a model as well as his lover. Where did that Washington Post referenced article say anything about Stratten being 'groomed'?
Furthermore, being a model is a legitimate occupation so a beautiful young woman with the required attributes and her own adult agency can certainly be 'encouraged' to become one. But to use the term 'groomed' shows a degree of fourth wave feminist bias at the expense of objectivity, and does not adhere to Wikipedia's standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.13.116 (talk) 13:12, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Furthermore, re the sentence 'groomed her' to 'become his lover'. How exactly does one consenting adult groom another consenting adult to become their lover? I urge people to think about this.
More about Snider
editI only see here references to Snider in relation to Stratten. Oddly enough, the Wikipedia article on Dorothy Stratten described Snider as a pimp, but no mention of it here. What was he doing before he married her??
Considering that he killed her, a serious legal question arises about whether he was even permitted to inherit from her. It becomes hard to believe that his family would get both her and his assets -- at least, not without a very spirited legal battle, so I'd like that clarified.06:37, 28 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.237.45 (talk)
- Having gone through and sourced this, I've taken out the inheritance bit as highly dodgy. First, it was unsourced and second, yes, I've never heard of a court which would grant a murderer any inheritance from someone they killed. Gwen Gale (talk) 12:07, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
- Sadly, the law requires a conviction of the crime, so the perpetrator's parents may very well have cashed in. Is that right? Obviously not, but that's the state of the law.
Not to bring this thread back from the dead, but I want to raise the issue of calling Snider a "pimp" again. Where's the source? In the Washington Post article in the references, Hugh Hefner is quoted as saying "I said to her that he had a 'pimp-like quality' about him," but that's not the same as "he was a pimp." Similarly, the New York Times article describes the characterization of Snider in the movie Star 80 as "makes ends meet by pimping", but by its very nature a movie is at best a fictionalized version of reality. (The WP article about that movie describes him as "a brash small-time scam artist and pimp", but again, fictionalized.) -- Erik Siers (talk) 22:36, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Chippendales
editThe article says he was a creator of the group, but looking at a photo of them it does not appear that he was a member of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.198.30.48 (talk) 17:14, 28 July 2016 (UTC)