Talk:Peadar Kearney

Burial

According to this http://www.from-ireland.net/history/origin.htm, Kearney is not buried in Glasnevin, but in Drumcondra. I wonder is the image of the stone with Beaslai, Ashe and Kearney's names on it merely a commemorative stone in Glasnevin, not a gravestone? There are other such commemorative stones in Glasnevin. Can anyone clarify this? ANB (talk) 21:57, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll check at Glasnevin tomorrow. Might be able to find out over the phone, otherwise I'll take the bus. RashersTierney (talk) 22:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Just spoke to Glasnevin admin. No record of Kearney burial for date of death given here. Also enquired re name as gaeilge...nothing. Am expecting one of their researchers to contact. Will post. RashersTierney (talk) 13:50, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Impressive work. You are, as always, immensely thorough. ANB (talk) 17:32, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Kearney was registered at Glasnevin as Cearnaig (no 'h'). Date of death 24th Nov '42 - 59 yrs - Roman Catholic - Occupation House painter - Died of heart failure - Last address 24 Donahue St. Inchicore - interred at Republican plot at RD 38. Thanks to S.MacT for research at Glasnevin records. RashersTierney (talk) 13:36, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Nice. The online source was evidently wrong about Drumcondra - perhaps getting confused with Paddy Heeney. The Is that firm enough evidence to change the DOD then? Its currently down as the 23rd. ANB (talk) 15:36, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes. I reconfirmed with source. Glasnevin record definitely states date of death as 24th. I'm sure an Irish Times obit. would confirm but for some reason I can't access their archives although I'm 'signed up' for it. Just struck me that Glasnevin are recording on basis of death cert. If death occurred at night, the doctor may not have signed until after midnight and subsequent to family being aware of his passing. Would be better to get a 'verifiable source' such as newspaper obituary. All a bit pedantic I know.RashersTierney (talk) 16:04, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Connacht Sentinel of 24/11/42 confirms date of death as 24th. Irish Indo of 24/11/43 cites 24th as first anniversary. No other contemp. newspaper records contradict this. The dates on the web, obviously repeated from same erroneous source, are wrong. RashersTierney (talk) 17:18, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Colbert Kearney

I was at this lecture by Peadar Kearney's grandson Colbert Kearney. This is offline and thus WP:OR at present, but if it is ever published there are some points worth mentioning in Peadar Kearney and Amhrán na bhFiann. Colbert never knew his grandfather, and (fittingly for a literature academic) tries to read between the lines of what his relatives said, and left unsaid.

1. Peadar's poems are from a working-class Dublin perspective, earthy and cynical about the priggish bourgeois current within the Gaelic and nationalist revival
2. "A Soldier's Song" was written in late 1909 or early 1910, not 1907 as often stated
3. By 1910, members of many nationalist groups organised hurley-based military drills (whether under the group's auspices or as a side project / Skunkworks project). "A Soldier's Song" was written as a marching song, presumably for one of them. The Irish Volunteers were not founded until 1913, so it wasn't written for them.
4. Peadar was active as a courier for the IRB and was diligent about secrecy.
5. Many of the commanders who knew him were killed in 1916 or 1920–22 (Gearóid O'Sullivan an exception).
6. After 1922 he had republican sympathies but had no time for de Valera.
7. Colbert speculates he suffered from one or more of PTSD, depression, or alcoholism. He seems to have spent a lot of time in pubs.
8. He did not speak Irish to his children.
9. He worked for the Free State as a censor in Port Laoise prison in 1923-4.
10. He applied under the Military Service Pensions Act, 1924 but got less money than he expected, because he did not file the correct paperwork. This aggrieved him greatly.
    • maybe he did not have the relevant proof -- see point #5.
    • or maybe he was less than diligent about the process -- O'Sullivan and others offered assistance.
11. The £500 he got in 1934 for the copyright to the anthem ought to have made a huge difference in the family standard of living, but there is nothing in the Kearney family memory to suggest this was so. Colbert seems to think the money simply allowed Peadar to retire altogether and stop working intermittently as a painter.
12. Latterly he only went to mass if he knew the priest would be condemning the IRA; he would then walk out during the sermon.
13. Colbert calls Jimmy Bourke's book "hagiography".

jnestorius^(talk) 15:40, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

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