Talk:Peaked cap

Female headgear

Is there an article about the equivalent headgear for women? Sergeantgiggles (talk) 19:32, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Pershing cap

There are some versions of service caps that are listed as "Pershing caps" in some internet catalogs. What is the origin of this term? It is noteworthy that in the Philippines, service caps are usually called "Pershing caps." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.104.141.47 (talk • contribs) 09:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Police and fire fighters

Please improve this article by including information about the origin of American policemen's 8-point service cap, and also please explain why American firemen use the old-fashioned Bellcrown cap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.104.141.47 (talk • contribs) 09:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Forage Cap

The first line of this article states that "forage cap" is an alternate name for the peaked cap. I've always taken that term to mean the wedge cap, and that article also uses it. Are both correct? Rojomoke (talk) 16:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Peaked caps are known as Forage caps in certain British Army regiments, particularly the Guards Division and the Household Cavalry of the Household Division. It is otherwise commonly known as the No.1 Dress Cap (and is also worn with other ranks No.2 dress uniform). --Panzer71 (talk) 15:56, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Measurements and prevailing standards

How are peaked caps measured? If there is more than one circumference (say, at the base where the headband is, and above it, where the seams are cinched in), does it tend to be measured in millimeters or sixteenths of an inch?

Since the upper part of the hat rises up from the headband, can the angle of inclination be specified?

Are there any mail order outfits in the United States that sell peaked hats for novelty purposes, or as props for movies?

The main article could be improved by adding some links to manufacturing sites where peaked caps are sold. 216.99.201.70 (talk) 17:34, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Variations in height

This is a great article. But I came to it to learn about the way that the height or "peakedness" varies between nations. I was just looking at a picture of Manuel Noriega wearing a very tall cap. File:General Manuel Noriega.jpg (probably deleted soon). I also recall the high, wide caps favored in the Soviet Union in its later decades. File:DYazov1989.jpg I guess it's all arbitrary fashion, but if anyone comes across a sources which discusses this please add something.   Will Beback  talk  10:17, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

ID this cap

Does anyone know where this cap is from?, there was a couple around and came with the points in various lengths. A badge with crossed rapiers in a wreath was under the cockade.

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IDthiscap 23:15PM, 15/5/2012 (UTC)

What are the Russian sections doing here ?

At the bottom of the main page (and even on this discussion page) there is a big reference to Russian handicrafts. But this cap doesn't have any especial connection to Russian culture. The Russians do use this cap, but not as much as other people. I've even seen the "ring cap" (another name for it) sold as the Greek Fisherman's cap (black and coarse, with a bit of embroidery on the band) in civilian stores.

Perhaps it's been placed on this page because there's a reference to the square-topped Polish cap. That has a different history, derived from the lancer's cap. 4.154.252.249 (talk) 23:29, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

• Peaked cap first appeared in Russia.
• Peaked cap was a part of Russian national costume in the 19th and early 20th centuries.
• Peaked cap is a popular souvenire in modern Russia. GreyHood ^Talk 09:59, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that the peaked cap isn't used as much in Russia as other people. The peaked cap has been an essential part of Russia for centuries- ranging from use by military officers since the 18th century to use by all branches of service, including actual military personnel as well as police, NKVD, border guards, KGB, etc. There were even special peaked caps worn by railway workers, firemen, pilots, mining supervisors, foresters, customs officers, taxi drivers, and countless other employees of government agencies. I'm frankly surprised that Russia doesn't have a section here, although I'll certainly be correcting that. I can say with fairly strong confidence that you'd be hard pressed to find a country that uses peaked caps to a lesser degree than Russia.--Slon02 (talk) 04:44, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

• Surely you mean greater degree. 95.165.49.24 (talk) 09:10, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Can we remove the silly exclamation mark

There is nothing that wrong with the article, except for the ! blurb, which should be removed. Also whomever worded the link to baseball cap was confused. Just because the British word for visor is "peak," that does not relate it to baseball caps which have a visor. Many caps have a visor, or "peak." The word peak in peaked cap obviously refers to the high point in front. God only knows what the British call that. So take off the silly "this article needs improvement." I would do it myself but I don't want to tangle with some officious editor. Mea (talk) 06:07, 19 November 2013 (UTC).

Well I hauled off and made the changes. A cap is a cap and it may or may not have a visor. No direct connection to a baseball cap which is a demi-globe shape. Can we posit that it is cold in Russia and that they are likely to need hats? Why create problems there are plenty of articles more in need of help.Mea (talk) 06:22, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Whew! I take that back,this is an ailing article. One person was already fooled that commented in this talk page. What is the best way to separate out this British english problem? It's like if I say "Hey, Mack..." I am not talking to a raincoat, even though that's what they call it in the U.K.Mea (talk) 07:04, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

More removal of confusion about peak is needed

The article would confuse a person who didn't understand that the hat rises to a peak in the front. Somebody got infatuated with the British word "peak" which apparently means "visor." You wiki people are so infatuated with citations for even the most obvious assertions, where is the citation for that? I will re-word the article so that it is less confusing if there is no blowback from my current change. I am going on a trip to climb a mountain visor. When I return I will check the article again...Mea (talk) 06:32, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

There are numerous problems with this article, now that I take a closer look. However,they have little to do with international whatever. Civil war soldiers on both sides typically wore a Kepi, which in fact is not and never was a peaked cap. Is "peakless" a real word? Have to do a little research because I know I will get barraged with citation requests. I am not an expert on caps but I wear them. I suspect whomever wrote the errant parts of this article does not wear them, or they could visualize rain shedding off the top from the peak and down. The visor is for the sun. Take a peak at some hats in a store... Mea (talk) 06:53, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

North Korean Peaked Caps

I don't want to add more pictures onto a page that is already saturated with imagery, but holy cow, how do you not include the North Korean cap which is distinct of superlative in dimension on the top portion.

Observe in this image shamelessly linked from Huffington Post:

• Ridiculously Large Hats of North Korean Generals — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.179.118.231 (talk) 12:59, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

The bit-sticking-up-at-the-top?

Could someone knowledgeable say something about the distinctive part of the typical men's version of military and law-enforcement hats; i.e. the bit sticking up at the top (BSUATT) and which, infamously, is particularly prominent on some contemporary North Korean military headgear. In case an example is needed, I'm referring to probably the most obvious difference between the woman's version of the US naval cap shown in the article, and the three men's versions at the same place.

For example: What is the BSUATT actually called; is it just the "top part of the crown" or does it have its own name? What's it for; keeping the rain off, or decorative/display, or what? Why *don't* women's versions often appear not to have it; is it really more about rank than gender, and it just happens that the ratio of high:low rank pictures of women servicefolk is simply lower than that of men? And in particular on the idea that its purpose is something to do with display---in the sense of "my BSUATT is bigger than yours"---and this connects with the comments earlier (both mine and earlier) about North Korean styles (e.g. here)---is it possible to say anything (sensible!) about variations among nations, cultures, and even just times in history, in the difference in size of the bit-sticking-up-at-the-top, relative to the rest of the cap?

BTW, all of that assumes the usual meaning of "peak" in the context of peaked caps. That is, the peak refers quite specifically *not* to the BSUATT, but rather to the visor, which shades the eyes from the sun (i.e. the peak is the part which, on a baseball cap, is referred to as the "bill").

In other words, while the bit-sticking-out-at-the-front is the peak, and the bit-sticking-out-around-the-edge is the brim, what is the bit-sticking-up-at-the-top? 2605:6000:F343:F300:8154:C419:8FB9:EE9D (talk) 12:05, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps you should read WP:NOTCOMPULSORY. If you can find reliable sources to improve terminology, we would be very grateful. You're welcome to assume whatever you wish, but NOR is a policy. Thanks. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:42, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

??? I can't make head nor tail of that. Did you perhaps mean to post it further up, in another section?2605:6000:F343:F300:8154:C419:8FB9:EE9D (talk) 04:53, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

My apologies if my response was convoluted. Essentially, I was recommending WP:SOFIXIT provided you have reliable sources to make changes. You've thrown up some queries which don't necessarily need to be addressed in the article. If you've done some research into the subject and can't find "sensible" reliable sources to answer your queries, please don't ask others (every editor is a volunteer) to speculate with you and use this page as a forum for your own investigations. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 20:14, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Lenin's hat

Peaked caps seem to have quite a history in Eastern Europe and in Russia. Dose the kind of hat worn by Lenin have a special name?

Visored frameless cap typically associated with Vladimir Lenin.

- knoodelhed (talk) 04:36, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

That is not a peaked cap, but a variant of the mariner's cap, also popularly associated with Chairman Mao. JustinTime55 (talk) 16:13, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Fascinating. After all, wasn't "the great helmsman" one of Mao's sobriquets? knoodelhed (talk) 22:58, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

United Kingdom

The United Kingdom section does not mention use of peaked caps as part of the uniforms of British police forces. That could be added as a subsection. --Dreddmoto (talk) 15:12, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Large amount of empty space should be removed from the end of the 'Indonesia' tab

In my opinion, the large amount of empty space should be removed from the end of the 'Indonesia' tab as it looks odd to have such a big space in my opinion. Xboxsponge15 (talk) 19:54, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

That's happening because the picture takes up much more vertical space than the text. It's a good and relevant picture, though, so it's better to have the formatting problem than to lose the picture. Adding text would also fix it; is there more to say about peaked caps in Indonesia? TypoBoy (talk) 15:59, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Why "combination"?

The article uses the terms "combination cap" and "combination cover" extensively, but doesn't explain where the term comes from. Why "combination"? What things are being combined? Is the idea that a peaked cap combines a cap with a visor? TypoBoy (talk) 13:45, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

All I know is the U.S. military uses different terms to describe these peaked caps. The U.S. Army and Air Force calls it the "service caps" [1][2], the U.S. Marine Corps calls it either the "frame cap" or "service cap" [3], the U.S. Navy calls it either a "combination cap" or "combination cover" [4], and the U.S. Coast Guard calls it a "combination cap" [5]. Use those linked uniform regulations to make any appropriate corrections. --McChizzle (talk) 14:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for those links! Unfortunately, they don't give any insight on the origins of the term "combination cap" (the first two don't use the term, and the other two use and define it, but don't give any etymology), but that was a good shot. I'll keep looking. TypoBoy (talk) 15:57, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

That is all I know about the naming (who calls it what in the US military). Since the Navy and Coast Guard are the organizations in the U.S. military that call it a combination cap may help you focus some of your research. Good luck! --McChizzle (talk) 16:50, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Czech style military cap?

What's the difference between peaked cap and czech style cap? Ypacaraí (talk) 22:33, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Civilian usage

Regarding the United Kingdom section, what about adding one the photographs here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Manchester_Pride_2010_(4942180345).jpg or here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Police_hats_and_helmets_of_England ? Dreddmoto (talk) 02:54, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm okay with swapping out the current image in the police section with an image from the police hats category (like this one File:Metropolitan Police peaked cap side.jpg), and am much more partial to those images than the first suggested one, as the peaked cap is the focal/only item in the image (in contrast to being a small part of a larger image). Leventio (talk) 03:28, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I actually just went ahead and swapped the prior image in that section with one I found in the Category. That said, I don't really have any particular attachment to that image, so feel free to replace it with something else that's more suitable (I just went ahead and replaced the prior image as the cap wasn't a focal point in that image, in contrast to all the images you've brought up). Leventio (talk) 03:36, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Leventio, thanks. I've just seen that photograph and it goes well with the text there. The only situation in which I could imagine adding another photograph there would be if someone finds a close up of a peaked cap for traffic police or Police Service of Northern Ireland officers. PSNI caps have noticeable differences. --Dreddmoto (talk) 18:25, 16 January 2023 (UTC)