Talk:Pedro Muñoz

copyedit Oct 2016

I've started copyedit on the article but it's taking me a little longer than I expected. I'll return to it tomorrow. - Reidgreg (talk) 22:01, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
Hello, Tagishsimon, Marco Craso and interested parties. I've finished my copyedit of the article. The translation was pretty good, I think it was the broad range of subjects that took me a while (many different style guides to consult). Here are my notes:

• I capitalized Pedroteños which is the convention for demonyms in English. If you'd rather it were lower-case that'd probably be acceptable but either way it should be in italics.
• A few of the taxonomic names I capitalized and/or italicized as per convention. MOS:LIFE
• I found a mix of date formats (eg: August 10, 1531; 1 August 1964). For consistency I put them all in day-month-year format, which is the convention for most non-US topics.
• There were five instances of X river and three instances of river X. For consistency, I changed them all to X River. I capitalized "River" when connected with the proper name, similarly with "Lake". If you'd rather use the Spanish conventions (eg: Rio X) that'd be fine, but again should probably be in italics.
• Am I missing a lake? I only count six. Laguna del Pueblo (Town Lake) is another name for La Vega Lake.
• In English, lagoon usually refers to coastal waters and swamps are forested. The pictures and descriptions seem consistent with marshes, but I went with the more general wetland, which includes swamps, marshes and fens. Calling it a lagoon in relation to the river might be alright, but it'd be best if there was a source for calling it such.
• In History, Castillians is currently linked to Castile (historical region). Would it be better to link to Kingdom of Castile?
• The first paragraph of the 20th century history could benefit from a more neutral point of view (ie: trim the superlatives). Otherwise, if that's presented as an opinion, a source should be noted.
• I rewrote a bit of City Hall and the Church that immediately follows. I hope I have the correct meaning.
• I preserved the street names with translations but in some cases that might be presenting excessive information.

Hope this is good. I'll probably check it again tomorrow, and will keep the article on my watchlist for a couple weeks. - Reidgreg (talk) 23:48, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much Tagishsimon for moving my request to the right place. And thank you very much Reidgreg for doing this fantastic job. About the questions:

• • Laguna del Pueblo and La Vega (or Laguna de la Vega is the same), actually vega means lake.
  • I don´t know the differences between lagoon and lake in english. In spanish lago is a very deep water concentration, and laguna is just not deep, marismas (marshes) are usually close to the coast. It seems that swamp is the most correct term.
  • The link to Castile or Kingdom of Castile is doesn´t matter. For me is the same, the castilians from Castile or from the Kingdom of Castile. It´s the same.
  • The 1st paragrapfh of the 20th century is true and in the spanish version has the reference. A enginer from the spanish government came to the town in 1887 and improved it like nobody in the past. I gonna put the reference there.
  • I go to check City hall and Church sections. --Marco Craso (talk) 08:44, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Whoops! So I was basically saying, "Lake Lake"? That's embarrassing. Thank-you very much for catching that. The English Wikipedia's article on lagoon notes the difference between English lagoon and Spanish laguna. In English, "a shallow body of water separated from a larger body of water by barrier islands or reefs", and the article describes lagoons at atolls, coastal waters, and river-coast interfaces. Swamps and marshes can be inland (fresh or salt water). The main difference is the vegetation in and around them. Swamps are forested, like mangrove swamps. Marshes have non-woody plants (grasses). I feel the article should definitely preserve laguna in the Spanish name. But "wetlands" might be good in the translation, being a general term and one often used in an environmental or conservation context. - Reidgreg (talk) 19:42, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Don´t worry we do the same: Laguna de la Vega. The people call it La Vega but that is an old word for lake. You know sure the city of Las Vegas in USA, that means The lakes in spanish, but nobody uses this term, that is why the vega lake and Laguna de la vega is not a fail, we use it like a name actually. About the term wetlands I am agree, that would be the most generic term for it. Thank you very much for the help! --Marco Craso (talk) 11:29, 25 October 2016 (UTC)