Talk:Pegging (sexual practice)
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Gender-neutral language
editI have changed the language of the article to be gender neutral. (In other words, pegging is not exclusive to women nor receiving it exclusive to men.)
There's a broad consensus in the medical and psychiatric sciences that people with vaginas (i.e., potential users of a pegging dildo) may not identify with the socially-constructed gender identity of "woman," for example because they are transgender or intersex. Furthermore, almost every human has an anus, making them a potential recipient of pegging.
This scientific consensus is reflected in the Wikipedia articles on men and women, as well as the respective articles about transgenderism and intersex. Therefore, editing this article to be consistent with mainstream, well-sourced Wikipedia information on highly-trafficked, edited, and moderated pages should not be controversial.
However, if you still take issue with these changes, here are just a few of the many external peer-reviewed academic sources affirming the existence of people with vaginas who are described as women neither by themselves nor by the scientific community.[1][2][3][4][5]
Candent shlimazel (talk) 11:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- Sure, people with vaginas don't always identify as women, but that is beside the point. This sort of thing has already been rejected by the Wikipedia community, and here you can see why: Link. It's also WP:Original research because it does not represent the sources. Pegging is also a specifically gendered act. A trans man penetrating a man with a dildo would not likely consider himself to be engaging in pegging, but in gay sex, with the dildo as more of a prosthesis rather than a mere toy as a cis woman would. Finally, transgender people are exceptions to typical human anatomy. Humans are described by nearly all sources on the relevant topics as having two legs and engaging in walking, even though one or both of these is not the case for some humans. Likewise, medical and other sources on anatomy, biology, sexology, and so forth nearly always speak of "men"/"males" and "women"/"females" rather than unwieldy alternatives that are less clear to the vast majority of people. Crossroads -talk- 17:46, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
References
- ^ Eyssel J, Koehler A, Dekker A, Sehner S, Nieder TO (2017). Needs and concerns of transgender individuals regarding interdisciplinary transgender healthcare: A non-clinical online survey. PLoS ONE 12(8): e0183014. https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0183014
- ^ Ashley, F. (2019). Thinking an ethics of gender exploration: Against delaying transition for transgender and gender creative youth. Clinical Child Psychology and Psychiatry, 24, 223–236. https://doi.org/10.1177%2F1359104519836462
- ^ Quinn, V. P., Nash, R., Hunkeler, E., Contreras, R., Cromwell, L., Becerra-Culqui, T. A., Getahun, D., Giammattei, S., Lash, T. L., Millman, A., Robinson, B., Roblin, D., Silverberg, M. J., Slovis, J., Tangpricha, V., Tolsma, D., Valentine, C., Ward, K., Winter, S., & Goodman, M. (2017). Cohort profile: Study of Transition, Outcomes and Gender (STRONG) to assess health status of transgender people. BMJ open, 7(12), e018121. https://doi.org/10.1136/bmjopen-2017-018121
- ^ Hansbury, Griffin (2018). The Masculine Vaginal: Working With Queer Men’s Embodiment at the Transgender Edge. Journal of the American Psychoanalytic Association 65(6). https://doi.org/10.1177/0003065117742409
- ^ Gabrielle Winston McPherson, Thomas Long, Stephen J Salipante, Jessica A Rongitsch, Noah G Hoffman, Karen Stephens, Kelsi Penewit, Dina N Greene (2019). The Vaginal Microbiome of Transgender Men. Clinical Chemistry 65(1), Pages 199–207. https://doi.org/10.1373/clinchem.2018.293654
- Oh, good grief. I bet you call women "birthing people" too, right? And I bet we don't nurse our babies either? We "chest feed?" When will this lunacy end? This is way beyond ridiculous and insane. Do you people understand that you are going so out of your way to try to not offend the 2% of the population that you end up offending and denigrating the 98% of the rest of us? 2600:1700:BC01:9B0:544F:E012:2320:EFE4 (talk) 23:57, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- This isn’t really appropriate. There is clearly a difference of opinion between some users here, but resulting to accusations of lunacy and insanity is bordering on a personal attack. It certainly doesn’t contribute to a healthy and calm environment for the best editing possible to happen. Let’s try to be a little friendlier :) Chronque (talk) 23:04, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 6 May 2021
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All instances of woman say person with vagina. 2604:3D08:2689:5E50:F18F:6707:28CA:2EBE (talk) 09:13, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Not done: Please see this discussion for details regarding consensus about gender neutral language in human sex articles.
This proposal is clearly lacking consensus for implementing a bright-line rule. The MOS:GNL has a good summary already: the use of gender-neutral terms in articles is encouraged, but it is important to balance it with the need to maintain "clarity and precision". As outlined below, the terminology in articles, especially medical articles, is dependent upon the support of reliable sources and it is expected that editors would use the same terminology presented in said sources. That the English language has a large overlap in terminology for sex and gender distinction does not mean that the terminology can not be appropriately applied to the subjects at hand.
King of Pegging
editShould be a section or at least in popular culture 86.8.113.215 (talk) 16:03, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- There isn't much if any coverage in reliable sources and it seems to violate wikipedia's Biographies of living persons guidelines. I don't think adding those rumors to Prince William's article would be acceptable, and it's certainly less relevant towards a discussion on pegging. Erinius (talk) 19:29, 28 July 2022 (UTC)