Talk:Penang Bridge

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It should be more clear in which direction you pay the toll - "Perai toll plaza (enter bridge only)" doesn't mean much to most people. Do you pay to leave the island or enter the island? Also, I heard that a Korean company built the bridge. If anyone knows who that was, that would be nice to mention here also. --Commking 03:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

You only have to pay when you enter Penang island, this is the same case for the nearby ferry service. I was travelling on the bridge last night, wonder if the toll fare of vehicles should be listed in the article. And it needs some copyediting too. I'm not sure about the company who built the bridge though. --Andylkl ^{[ talk! | c ]} 08:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

The company that built the Penang Bridge was the parent company of PLUS Expressways Berhad and Penang Bridge Sdn Bhd, United Engineers Malaysia (UEM). Hezery99 04:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

False information

The bridge is 80 km in length? furthermore 8.4 mile doesnt correspond to 80 km. It's roughly 13 km instead. __earth ^(Talk) 02:33, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Further to EarthTalk comment, Penang Bridge not under PLUS Expressways Berhad (PEB) but under UEM Builders Berhad. The concession of Penang Bridge also seperate from PLUS (awarded by the government under different concession agreemeent). Please refer to http://www.uembuilders.com/uembb_group.php and http://www.penangbridge.com.my/. --Suryasuharman 08:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I drove the Penang bridge today, from the toll to the end of the bridge, direction Bayan Lepas, it's ONLY 8.2km... I wanted to do this for a long time because i couldn't believe that it length 13km. OscarKapac. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oscarkapac (talk • contribs) 03:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Mis-leading information

Does anyone else feel this way, or is it just me that has a personal gripe with the stated official length of this bridge. I have traveled it many times already and I do not believe it should be stated as being 13.5 km long. Here is the break down that I have been able to measure while driving it.

Shore to shore, is about 8.05 km. It is stated on this page that the over water is 8.4 km and i think is a pretty generous figure here.

Mainland elevated side is about 0.4 km, and the toll both is another 0.3 km further inland (0.7 km from shore)

Island elevated sided is a bit more complicated since the road seperates into 2 different directions. Going north towards GeorgeTown, both directions are elevated for about 0.4 km inland. Going south and leaving the bridge is only elevated for about 50 meters, whereas the on ramp from the south is elevated about 0.6 km on the shore.

My guess is that the 13.5 km stated distance is the total road length distance for the whole bridge project including completely crounded roads from the previously exiting roads, which to me is a great over statement of what a normal person would consider a part of this bridge length. It is pretty easy to verify the distances I have provide from the google maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&q=&z=14&ll=5.357538,100.353069&spn=0.050077,0.088749&t=k&om=1

To me this just shows how a country can mis-lead the rest of the world in how long their bridge really is.

I would like to see this wiki page changed to a more realistic distance preferably shore-to-shore of 8.05 km or elevated bridge distance 8.5 km to 9.05 km. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.111.187.7 (talk) 11:27, 17 February 2007 (UTC).

Quote your figure. Else, WP:OR. Good day. __earth ^(Talk) 12:46, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you can refer to the following link for the bridge schematic drawing (bridge detail description) for reference: http://www.penangbridge.com.my/bridgedetails.php --Suryasuharman 08:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and accordingly it can be seen that 8.4 is the elevated bridge and there is anditional 5.1 KM of project surface roads including the toll plaza which are not elevated in any way. I believe the 13.5 KM should be changed to clarify that is "project length" since the way it is now can easily confuse most into thinking that is the distance over water.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Removal of info

In Aug-Sep 2018, @Pizza1016: removed a large part of the article. Is this desirable? Cheers, cmɢʟee⎆τaʟκ 17:49, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

@Cmglee: Thanks for the ping. Allow me to explain the rationale for my edits/removals (here). The two major sections I removed are a list of the specifications of the bridge and the table of toll rates. I did so on the basis of WP:INDISCRIMINATE: the listed specifications, while sourced, were overly detailed, and were not used to elaborate on a matter, or otherwise serve a purpose, in the main prose of the article. The parameters available in the infobox are, I believe, adequate. The table of toll rates was also removed because of WP:NOTDIRECTORY, specifically that "An article should not include product pricing or availability information unless there is an independent source and a justified reason for the mention. Encyclopedic significance may be indicated if mainstream media sources (not just product reviews) provide commentary on these details instead of just passing mention." I took this to include toll rate tables as they are also updated relatively often and would quickly fall out-of-date. The remainder of those edits consisted of updating the road junction list to use a template (that complies with MOS:RJL), cutting down on overlinking in the 'see also' section, and other minor cleanup tasks. – Pizza1016 (talk | contribs) 06:57, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining, @Pizza1016:. I agree with the toll rates, though think the bridge specs are useful as other bridges have similar info. Secondly, some of the photos, such as the one on the bridge roadway is useful to show what a bridge user would see. I can restore them but thought I should run it by you and other editors first. Cheers, cmɢʟee⎆τaʟκ 02:20, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

@Cmglee: Yeah I agree that the bridge specs could be useful, but the way it was listed at the time just felt out of place to me. I think the specs should be explained/described in prose format, rather than a plain list, and given some context (but you and other editors might disagree). Some of the stats, in any case, looks like they could be added to the bridge infobox. Also I completely missed that I removed the photos - sorry about that! I've restored them back into the article (feel free to relocate them if you wish). – Pizza1016 (talk | contribs) 11:31, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

@Pizza1016: Thanks very much. I'll write out the specs in prose when I can find some time and motivation. Cheers, cmɢʟee⎆τaʟκ 13:09, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Added to Penang_Bridge#Features. cmɢʟee⎆τaʟκ 20:28, 8 December 2019 (UTC)