Talk:Perfect (Ed Sheeran song)

Charts

Ireland, UK and Germany don't credit Beyoncé in their charts. I see the UK Charts website do recognize the second version helped but didn't put her name up there like they do with Bieber. Should those number ones be removed from "Combined chart entries" and just be on "original version"? cc: @Ss112: Cornerstonepicker (talk) 06:29, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

I took that section to just mean it generally reached number one after the Beyoncé version came out, not that it was the Beyoncé version that reached number one. Ss112 06:30, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Beyonce is not credited in most countries and even the US/Canadian charts removed her name - they will probably add her next week. But what will we do when the third version with Andrea Bocelli will be released? I'm not sure Beyonce should be treated this way in the article if she's not credited... And now, after only one week, his solo version is selling better than Beyonce duet in the US. It seems it won't be the case like with Despacito and Bieber. @Ss112: @Cornerstonepicker: Max24 (talk) 09:34, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

And I also don't understand why there's fight over Australia right now. Beyonce is also not credited in other charts, but only Australia can't be added? I think we should not create sepatare table for Beyonce (even titled combined chart entries for 2 versions) or leave it with only charts where she was actually credited. Right now she's credited only in New Zealand and Sweden. @Ss112: Max24 (talk) 11:39, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

I don't understand why there was a disagreement over Australia either. She isn't credited on the singles chart page. I agree with only crediting her in the new table where the versions are combined on the chart listing. Ss112 01:51, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

She was removed from the Billboard charts because their new system causes artists with future credits to be added to a song's entire chart run instead of the week they will actually begin receiving the credit. She will be added to the credits, as confirmed by Billboard, on the chart date issued December 11, and will stay credited on the song regardless of the individual remix's performance or any other future re-release of the song. Internationally, while the Official Charts Company did not credit her on the Official Charts website for the UK or Ireland, BBC's chart, which reflects the OOC UK chart, has the duet listed in the #1 position, therefore confirming it was the Beyoncé version that topped the chart. The same can be said in Ireland. Germany, while not officially crediting Beyoncé on the chart, specifically stated the Beyoncé version sent the song to #1 in a press release. Just because Beyoncé's name may not be reflected on these individual charts does not mean she should not be credited for the song (combined or individually) reaching a new peak/re-peaking. @Ss112: @Cornerstonepicker: @Max24: Gaknowitall (talk) 19:16, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Sounds like a bit like WP:OR to me. For the UK, while the BBC does credit her, the official chart website (officialcharts.com) doesn't; as for Ireland, nor does IRMA (their actual site or the additional listing on OCC's website); and in Germany, offiziellecharts.de only published an article saying her version reached number one but the actual chart itself doesn't. (Also, no need to keep pinging me, the page is on my watchlist so I'll see all your messages.) Ss112 01:51, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Sean to only credit Beyonce in the new table where the versions are combined on the chart listing. Will you change it Sean? Beyonce hasn't had a #1 hit in 10 years so her fans want her to be credited so badly. By the way, another version with Andrea Bocelli will be released next Friday :) Max24 (talk) 15:16, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

@Max24: Only pinging you as I don't know if you've watchlisted the page, but I added the Belgian and Dutch peaks because of the chart listings: http://dutchcharts.nl/weekchart.asp?cat=s, http://www.ultratop.be/nl/showWeekchart.asp?cat=s and http://www.ultratop.be/fr/showWeekchart.asp?cat=s, which all credit Beyoncé. The actual pages linked to using artist and song might not, but those do. Ss112 10:45, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Ups, didn't know that, I will restore them. Sorry. I was busy adding a tone of material from UK and Billboard, so it didn't look like just the Beyonce version is the most imoportant. By the way, Gaknowitall came back with his edits, and you already warned him. Can you do something about it? Max24 (talk) 11:50, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

If the decision is to have the column only with chart entries Beyonce is credited in the title should be more clear. "Combined chart entries for original and Beyoncé duet" means that as long as there is proof that her version was combined it should be listed. Rather someone change the title or continue posting chart entries with proof of the combination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ELEMONATED (talk • contribs) 20:42, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Duet versions

Is Charts where Beyonce is credited combined with solo version or just the duet with Beyonce? Where is the chart performance of Symphony duet? Mobile mundo (talk) 18:45, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

@Mobile mundo: It's reasonable to assume most charts crediting Beyoncé are combining the sales, but until they say otherwise, we simply state the facts: they are only crediting the duet with Beyoncé or changed to credit her. Also, "Perfect Symphony" has not charted yet. We don't know if it will even be credited anywhere. Ss112 00:25, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks (Mobile mundo (talk) 20:02, 19 December 2017 (UTC))

All versions of a song are combined, at least for the Billboard charts. That's been their policy for years in the age of digital. The duet with Beyoncé is credited because it is currently the most popular version. Bocelli would get chart credit if "Perfect Symphony" became the most popular version of all of them. You can't treat each version separately. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 11:56, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

It's been several editors' decision to split the chart tables on this page according to what the chart pages credit, not solely or even originally mine. There are more charts concerned on this page in the "Beyoncé version credited" table than just those published by Billboard. Ss112 13:07, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't know how other countries do it, but unless "Perfect" and "Perfect Duet" chart as separate songs at the same time, it should only appear in one chart listing. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 16:57, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Some countries did do that. Others changed to say "Perfect Duet" upon the release of Beyoncé's version. Others still changed to include the Andrea Bocelli version upon the release of that version (like New Zealand). Others (like Belgium and the Dutch Top 40) include all versions in a note. There is not one hard and fast rule for them all, because if a chart listing changes and that chart is archived properly, previous weeks will still say "Perfect" and newer editions will say "Perfect Duet", so therefore we have evidence for both charting. Any change will need consensus, because I believe it's fine as it is, as do Max24, Cornerstonepicker, and several other editors I've spoken to or those who've edited it. Ss112 17:19, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Can you find a reliable source that says the solo version of "Perfect" peaked at number 3 on the Hot 100? Billboard doesn't provide that info because they regard their charts as song charts, combining all versions in their methodology. Otherwise, I would say that is original research because there is no proper source to verify that. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 18:34, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Again, Starcheers, stop acting like everything that's on this page is there because I put it there or that I'm the gatekeeper of said information. Billboard absolutely did start crediting Beyoncé at a certain point, because I remember seeing them add "duet with Beyoncé" after it happened, as do pretty much all the other editors of the page. Their charts no longer show that Ed Sheeran was solely credited (even though he was because the Beyoncé version did not exist when it started charting), but their Chart Beat articles indicate it happened around this time. Ss112 05:11, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

The best thing to do, readers of this page, would be to remove the Billboard peaks from the original version column since those peaks are not truly accurate because the original version sales, streams, etc. are now combined with the duet. It's not like the original version just disappeared off the charts, it's part of one total with the Beyoncé duet getting the credit because it became the most popular of all the versions. Saying otherwise is misrepresenting Billboard chart policy. Since the true peaks of the song (all versions) are getting the umbrella credit as the duet with Beyoncé, those are the only peaks that should be shown for any of the Billboard charts. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 06:48, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Does it infringe copyright in Ti amo?

Does anybody know if Ed Sheeran and Umberto Tozzi made an agreement? --87.132.40.173 (talk) 15:28, 16 March 2018 (UTC)