Talk:Perfect

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this needs something about what "Perfect" means, so I'm making it a stub. Random topics I can think of to cover

• perfect is impossible, or is it
• perfect in sport (20/20/20/20/20 in ice skating) bulls eye
• hype of perfection (see Gault Millau
• perfection in Islam (only Allah) -> all carpets have a stitch wrong
• provable systems??— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mozzerati (talk • contribs) 07:00, 22 July 2004 (UTC)

Requested move 14 April 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved per Xezbeth's note on Perfect (grammar) (which gets more traffic than Perfection) and on the Special:WhatLinksHere/Perfect results from Netoholic, which shows that editors are using it for several of the topics. -- JHunterJ (talk) 18:56, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

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Perfect (disambiguation) → Perfect – Readers are quite unlikely to want to see an article on Perfection when they search the term "Perfect" because they expect titles to be WP:NOUNs; it is far more likely that they are looking for one of the various media works with that title, and are best served with a disambiguation page upfront. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 18:37, 14 April 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. buidhe 17:42, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

• Support: This seems to be consistent with other adjectives (or at least all the ones I thought of first). -- Fyrael (talk) 18:44, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
• QUESTION: Does the proposed change entail changes of existing titles of pertinent articles? Nihil novi (talk) 03:24, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

  No, Perfection will remain where it is. The redirect Perfect will be deleted and be replaced with the content of Perfect (disambiguation). -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:41, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose as this is an appropriate WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT and Special:WhatLinksHere/Perfect shows that many editors find the redirect quite useful (vs a lengthy construction like [[perfection|perfect]]. Also, "perfect" can be a noun. -- Netoholic @ 05:06, 15 April 2020 (UTC) (edited)

  Perfect being a noun kind of undermines your own argument though; Perfect (grammar) is the primary topic of "Perfect" as a noun. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:34, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

  No, the primary topic of Perfect is as the adjective form of Perfection - we don't just decide primary topics among nouns. -- Netoholic @ 05:53, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Can you support that statement? Primary redirects are usually for synonyms, which are still nouns. When I tried to check how we're handling other adjectives all the random ones I thought of were not being treated as primary. Do you have some examples of adjective primary redirects? -- Fyrael (talk) 14:41, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

It's also rather hard to make the case for Perfection as primary even without the adjective part. The page views show at least 5 other topics with as many or more views, with the Ed Sheeran song having more than all other topics combined. Sure, Perfection has long term significance over most of them, but so does Perfect (grammar). It doesn't seem like a clear winner to me. -- Fyrael (talk) 14:58, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

WP:RPURPOSE lays out what makes an appropriate redirect, and "Adjectives or adverbs point to noun forms" is specifically listed. Page views are not the sole criteria for appropriate primary - in this case, the concept related to idealism is the obvious primary meaning of "Perfection / Perfect". In fact, seeing how many other topics are named after or because of this topic adds even more credence to it as being primary. -- Netoholic @ 19:31, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Claiming one topic is the "obvious primary meaning" is a completely empty statement. And no, the popularity of other topics absolutely does not make the name-origin topic more primary. If that were the case then the name originator would basically always be primary, the Amazons would be primary for "Amazon" (which they decidedly aren't), and we wouldn't see the directive "Being the original source of the name is also not determinative" at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. You're correct that page views are not the sole criteria; they're one of the two most important criteria, with the other being long-term significance, as I addressed.

I agree that the content at RPURPOSE indicates adjectives can't be ruled out as primary redirects, so thank you for that link. That makes it just a matter of whether Perfection is primary over the entries here, which at this point I don't think is the case. -- Fyrael (talk) 21:30, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Per Netoholic, this seems to be the appropriate primary redirect._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 04:57, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Perfect (grammar) alone is prominent enough for there to be no clear primary topic. The other significant entries are just a bonus. —Xezbeth (talk) 21:09, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
• Support per Wikipedia:NAD. cookie monster (2020) 755 22:07, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

  This vote is a total misinterpretation/misapplication of NAD... this redirect is obviously not a "dictionary entry", and WP:RPURPOSE gives clear guidance that parts of speech and adjective/adverb forms are completely appropriate as redirects. -- Netoholic @ 01:56, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Well if this vote is a total misinterpretation, you are free to disregard it, Netoholic xD cheers, cookie monster (2020) 755 18:16, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I am retracting my feedback on this requested move based on the policy Netoholic provided. cookie monster (2020) 755 21:31, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

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