Talk:Periodinane
Latest comment: 7 years ago by DrStrauss in topic Requested move 14 July 2017
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| Periodane is *not* a general term for any hypder valent iodine compound |
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Requested move 14 July 2017
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The result of the move request was: no consensus DrStrauss talk 20:52, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
Periodinane → Iodane – The article is about iodanes more generally (periodinanes are a type of iodane/iodinane) OrganoMetallurgy (talk) 21:47, 13 July 2017 (UTC)--Relisting. —usernamekiran(talk) 10:10, 21 July 2017 (UTC)--Relisting DrStrauss talk 18:45, 3 August 2017 (UTC)--Relisting. —usernamekiran(talk) 08:09, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
- This is a contested technical request (permalink). GeoffreyT2000 (talk, contribs) 02:55, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose Iodanes are not more general than periodinanes. The article is actually about periodinanes specifically. GeoffreyT2000 (talk, contribs) 02:55, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Iodanes are in fact a broader class of compounds that include periodinanes. The term iodane is typically used to describe any organoiodine besides organoiodides. While periodinanes refer specifically to organoiodine(V) compounds. OrganoMetallurgy (talk) 14:53, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
- True, a point made also years ago here at #Assessment comment. DMacks (talk) 13:10, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Noalthough iodane is a redirect, it could be expanded to include I(III) compounds too. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:07, 20 July 2017 (UTC)- Comment The page is already about both organoiodine(III) and organoiodine(V) compounds both of which can be refered to as iodanes. OrganoMetallurgy (talk) 12:16, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
- Yes some iodane content needs to be cut from here and merged to an article called Iodane. Otherwise I will be asking to delete this altogether. I still think these should be two different articles though. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:39, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
- @Graeme Bartlett: The current article is primarily about the iodine(III) compounds, wouldn't it be more practical to move this page to Iodane and if need be create a new page called Periodinane? OrganoMetallurgy (talk) 11:15, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
- Yes some iodane content needs to be cut from here and merged to an article called Iodane. Otherwise I will be asking to delete this altogether. I still think these should be two different articles though. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:39, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
- I support having a parent article about iodanes (with the existing hypervalent iodine redirect pointing to it), and then subarticles about I(III) and/or I(V) classes if there is substantially more to say about them. The existing article here does seem like a decent one for that parent, and it always has been even back to its earliest revisions. Therefore I support moving this article to the broader name because that's what it is about. Periodinane would redirect to it until someone decides to fork and expand that sub-topic. DMacks (talk) 13:07, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
- Comment I support a move to generalise. However, I would instead suggest the plural form: Iodanes, as 'iodane' proper refers only to 'hydrogen iodide'. It is for this same reason why there are two articles on the topic of a borane - Boranes and Borane. Plasmic Physics (talk) 09:07, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
- Does anyone actually call HI "iodane", except in technical/database lists of synonyms, vs "hydrogen iodide"? That's in contrast to "iodane" being a component of nomenclature of many other compounds with the hypervalent sense. So while I could support having the I(III)/I(V) parent article at the plural name (WP:PLURAL supports that also), but WP:PRIMARY says we should help readers find the most likely meaning by sending "iodane" to that meaning as well. In contrast, to the "iodane=HI" case, "borane" is the standard way people refer to that chemical. DMacks (talk) 14:03, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
- I'm reasonably sure that iodane is often used to refer to HI when it is discussed in a non-aqueous or non-acid context. Plasmic Physics (talk) 05:47, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
- That's likely a hard lit-search question. I've never seen it called that even in nonaqueous reactions, but I've only ever looked for it as an acid. We'll need input from other chemists. DMacks (talk) 08:50, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
- I certainly have never heard anyone call HI iodane, nor have I ever seen it called that in literature. When refering to HI people either call it hydrogen iodide or when talking about its aqueous (and possibly in other solvents as well, but I'm not sure) solutions, hydroiodic acid. OrganoMetallurgy (talk) 13:57, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
- I'm reasonably sure that iodane is often used to refer to HI when it is discussed in a non-aqueous or non-acid context. Plasmic Physics (talk) 05:47, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
- Does anyone actually call HI "iodane", except in technical/database lists of synonyms, vs "hydrogen iodide"? That's in contrast to "iodane" being a component of nomenclature of many other compounds with the hypervalent sense. So while I could support having the I(III)/I(V) parent article at the plural name (WP:PLURAL supports that also), but WP:PRIMARY says we should help readers find the most likely meaning by sending "iodane" to that meaning as well. In contrast, to the "iodane=HI" case, "borane" is the standard way people refer to that chemical. DMacks (talk) 14:03, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
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