Talk:Pero Dile

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Pero Dile/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: L'OrfeoGreco (talk · contribs) 18:58, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

I would like to congratulate the contributor(s) on their efforts. Let's look at the things that could be bettered, always in relation to the criteria:

1st Criterion: Well-written

a. Language

Overall the Language is OK, but there are some omissions to be fixed and improvements that can be made. On the following list I will present the problematic sentences, alongside suggestions for their improvement:

• Intro, ",while it arrangements was done by Ramón Sanchez."

Suggestion: ",while its arrangements was done by Ramón Sanchez."

• Intro, "and narrates the singer telling his ex to tell people that he was a bad lover and admits to being at fault."

Comment: Ambiguous

Suggestion: Split with semicolon: " "Pero Dile" is one of the album's salsa songs; it narrates the singer telling his ex to tell other people that he was a bad lover and admits to being at fault."

• Background and composition, " while American musician Sergio George produced two of the album's tracks including "Pero Dile"."

Comment: missing comma

Suggestion: "while American musician Sergio George produced two of the album's tracks, including "Pero Dile".

• Background and composition, "The tells of a "love hangover",[...]"

Comment: missing word "song"

Suggestion: "The song tells of a "love hangover,[...]"

• Reception, "Parry Gettelman of the Orlando Sentinel praised the song as "graceful as it is catchy, and the lyrics are humorously bitter.""

Comment: problematic wording

Suggestion: "Parry Gettelman of the Orlando Sentinel praised the song, noticing it is as "graceful as it is catchy", and that "the lyrics are humorously bitter."

• Reception, "In 2000, it was recognized as one of the best-performing songs of the year at the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers Awards under the salsa field and do so again the following year."

Suggestion: "In 2000, it was recognized as one of the best-performing songs of the year at the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers Awards under the salsa field and did so again the following year.

• Reception, "Commercially, "Pero Dile" reached number three on the Billboard Hot Latin Songs and topped the Tropical Airplay chart in the US, becoming his eighth number one on the latter chart."

Comment: Whose eighth? The singer's name isn't stated in the previous sentences; specification required.

Suggestion: "Commercially, "Pero Dile" reached number three on the Billboard Hot Latin Songs and topped the Tropical Airplay chart in the US, becoming Manuelle's eighth number one on the latter chart."

b. Manual of Style

• Intro

The article's introduction is larger than the first paragraph (approx. 170 words and approx. 90 respectively) and almost equal to the second paragraph (approx. 200 words).
This looks odd and in fact contradicts the Manual Style rule about the Lead section The average Wikipedia visit is a few minutes long. The lead is the first thing most people will read upon arriving at an article, and may be the only portion of the article that they read.)

By itself this problem is too important to ignore, because currently the intro includes about 1/3 of the article. So, for a start we require a much more concise lead section. The contributor(s) will have to leave something out, probably the sentence " The track received positive reactions from two music critics who praised the song's arrangement and Manuelle's performance.". Besides, only two reviews is not a remarkable fact.

• Other sections

The rest are fine

2nd Criterion: Verifiable

a. List of all references

Ok

b. Reliable sources are cited inline

Well, Billboard and the rest are reliable for the purpose for which they are used here.

c. No original research

Citations given for each claim

d. No copyright violations

Non found on Earwig's copyvio

3rd Criterion: Broad in its coverage

a. Main aspects addressed

Here we have important problems:

• The music

No mention is made of the song's music; its melody, its rhythm (not just "salsa", but something like 2/4 etc. See Salsa (musical structure)), its dynamics (music), its structure, its instrumentation. A section "Music" is required for the article to be considered "broad in its coverage"

• The Lyrics

There should be a "Lyrics" section, with both the Spanish and English lyrics presented more specifically for the article to be truly "broad in its coverage"

b. No out-of-focus text

OK

4th Criterion: Neutral

Small fix: if there are negative comments about the song by a respected voice, they ought to be included.

5th Criterion: Stable

Totally

6th Criterion: Illustrated

No more than the infobox image, but not less than possible, so its fine.

Review result

For the aforementioned reasons, I put the GA review ON HOLD, and wait for the contributor(s) to respond positively, correct the problems and possibly see the article become a GA. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 21:01, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

According to the GA reviewing instructions: A reviewer may put the review "on hold" for about seven days to allow you time to fix any issues that may arise (reviewers can shorten/extend the time limit if they wish)" (the bolds and italics are mine).

Beginning from 18:58, 2 October 2023 (UTC), 3-4 days have already passed today from when I undertook to complete this review.

I have to make it clear that a reviewer's time and effort are not to be taken for granted; in this instance, the nominator has been given a notice on his talk page twice and responded to/informed the reviewer of their time schedule and intentions not once, despite having made 14 edits to several articles from 18:58 UTC, 2 October 2023.

I understand that at least one of the articles the nominator has been editing during these days is currently being reviewed, and I also understand that finishing that review is difficult. However, the aforementioned process has been running from 05:21, 21 August 2023, i.e. more than 45 days (!). Moreover, the nominator has nominated at least 12 articles in total, with more than 7 of them currently being reviewed.

With all due respect to the community and the nominator, and taking all the GA rules into consideration, I have to make it clear that I am not willing to wait 1-2 months for the nominator to complete this review process (the "Pero Dile" one), as this far exceeds the limits described by the GA reviewing instructions; it is these limits that I took into consideration before deciding to start this review.

If no signs of interest for the procedure, will or ability to cooperate are shown until 18:58, 6 October 2023 (UTC), I will fail the article with certainty. Furthermore, in the case that such interest is indeed expressed, I will nevertheless ask for a certain pace of work from the nominator; I won't accept delaying the review's completion after the 10th of October, 2023, i.e. 8 days after commencing.

L'Orfeo^{Son io} 17:11, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Result

Mainly due to the fact that the nominator has failed to show any interest for the process and because the article has many problems that a GA should not have, "Pero Dile" cannot become a GA (at the moment).
P.S. to the nominator and to future reviewers: take my comments into consideration for your next review.
With all due (self-)respect, L'Orfeo^{Son io} 20:34, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Pero Dile/GA3. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Magiciandude (talk · contribs) 01:11, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 06:43, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):

   b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a. (reference section):

   b. (citations to reliable sources):

   c. (OR):

   d. (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a. (major aspects):

   b. (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):

   b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

Not sure if this should be showing as the third or second GA but nevertheless, I will crack on with this tonight! --K. Peake 06:43, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Infobox looks good!
• Move release to being the third sentence of the lead instead
• "was handled by Sergio George while its arrangements" → "was handled by Sergio George, while the arrangement"
• ""Pero Dile" is one of the album's salsa songs; it narrates" → "One of the album's salsa songs, it narrates" to be less wordy
• Add a sentence after this mentioning what reviews said about the song
• ""Pero Dile" was nominated in" → "The song was nominated in"
• "where it spent 11 weeks" → "spending 11 weeks"

Background and composition

• "the album's arrangements while" → "the album's arrangements, while"
• "lover to "go ahead and tell everyone he" → "lover to proceed to "tell everyone he" to avoid overquoting
• "maybe it was my mistake to love you so much" need not be in quotes; re-word to something like "admits that how much he loved her may have been a mistake"

Reception

• "cited it as one of the songs from the album where" → "cited it as one of the songs where" since you already mentioned the album in this sentence
• "dynamic singer" despite claiming the genre" → "dynamic singer", despite asserting the salsa genre"
• "Parry Gettelman of the Orlando Sentinel praised" → "Parry Gettelman of the Orlando Sentinel praised" with the wikilink
• Start a new para after the book review since that is all of the critic's reviews
• "of Tropical/Salsa Hot Track of the Year but" → "of Tropical/Salsa Hot Track of the Year, but
• "in the US, becoming his eighth number one" → "in the United States, becoming Manuelle's eighth number-one" for consistency with the lead
• "was fourth best-performing" → "was the fourth best-performing"

Charts

• See MOS:TABLECAPTION

See also

• Good

References

• Copyvio score looks solid at 20.0%!!!
• WP:OVERLINK of AllMusic on ref 2
• Add the author and cite Orlando Sentinel as newspaper on ref 3 with the wikilink
• Pipe Billboard to Billboard (magazine) on ref 4 only
• Wikilink Columbia University Press on ref 6
• Wikilink Prometheus Global Media on ref 7 only
• Pipe Nielsen Company to Nielsen Holdings on ref 8

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; glad I could pick this one up since it's half a year old! --K. Peake 18:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Kyle Peake As always, thanks for the review. Pretty stuff, I'm pretty sure I got all the issues fixed. Erick (talk) 21:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

  Magiciandude ✓ Pass now, I only copy edited a bit of prose and two minor links you missed; this will be signed off as the second review now! --K. Peake 07:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)