Talk:Persecution of Jews

This is an obvious bias

Why is a part related to Islam greater than the rest, and there is little reference to the Holocaust, the Jews were more secure in an Islamic world than Europe in medieval times, just as the Jews never welcomed the Prophet Muhammad in madinah city, but rather they saw him as a threat to their economic and political influence, so they allied with His enemies and even have tried to assassinate him on more than one occasion. This is a bad article. Please fix it or I will delete it Sulioo908 (talk) 16:43, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Do not delete it without a consensus on this page to do so. See WP:Consensus. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:58, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, this article seems to be riddled with bias.

The Damascus Affair part implies that the Muslims were responsible: in fact it was a Christian attack.

The two paragraphs from "During the Holocaust, the Middle East was in turmoil." are mostly editorial, and contain inaccuracies (The Mufti organized the Farhud).

Other places are also innaccurate. In fact, Dhimmi could and did testify against Muslims. (“Court cases involving zimmi [dhimmi] creditors and debtors were handled at the court in exactly the same way as cases involving Muslims only. Any zimmi could have summoned to court any Muslim or other zimmi from whom he wanted to claim a debt.”

The Sharia Court of Anatolian Kayseri on JSTOR

The claim "[m]ore than 1,500 Jewish families, numbering 4,000 persons, fell in one day" is one of several estimates, and is the most dubious one: see the Wikipedia article on the Granada Massacre.

The number of Jews leaving Egypt after the Suez crisis is also contradicted by the Wikipedia article Jewish exodus from the Muslim world#North Africa region which puts it at 14k, not 25k. Nor was it an "expulsion."

This article, at the least, requires significant rewriting. Mcdruid (talk) 07:15, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

I would have to agree that the rather diminutive section on the Holocaust is rather strange, as is the separation of this from "Western and Christian antisemitism", of which it was a function, alongside persecution in Russia, etc. More broadly, I don't see the utility of the split of the page by geographical and cultural groupings instead of history and chronology, which is the usual this and any other article flows when covering history. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:05, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

I've partially addressed this with more appropriate period titles. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:14, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Almohad addition

This edit, introducing material on the Almohads, needs, at the bare minimum, a page number. Ideally a quote too. This material would also be best cross-referenced to multiple scholarly sources, incl. ideally some 21st-century ones. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:53, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Sources

To editor RogerYg: (1) This is just the Spanish translation of the US propaganda book "Myths and Facts" which has been judged unacceptable as a source (search for it at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources). (2) This page does not support the text you placed it on. (3) "1982 Lebanon-Israel war further reduced the number of Jews in the country.", besides being bad English, actively hides the fact that the war consisted of an Israeli invasion of Lebanon, as the source points out clearly, and omits that there were only a few hundred Jews in Lebanon at the time. (4) Why is a 2013 article in the The Wisconsin Jewish Chronicle a reliable source for history? (5) The things you attribute to Tudor Parfitt in the previous paragraph were not written by him (he was only the editor, not the author). It is your responsibility to cite sources correctly. That article in the book, written by Kirsten Schulze, is much more nuanced than you report and contradicts your general theme. For example, page 91: "The 1948 war did not have a disastrous effect on the Lebanese Jewish community. The Lebanese government actively protected the community from Arab nationalist and Palestinian elements in Lebanon - but even those were rare. Lebanese Jews themselves did not consider the war directly to affect them either as they saw themselves clearly as Lebanese nationals- so much so that there had been Jewish soldiers in the Lebanese Army fighting in the war of 1948. ... Lebanon was the only Arab country in which the number of Jews increased after the first Arab-Israeli. war." Also, your paragraph refers to the Arab Middle East as a whole but the source is only about Lebanon. Overall, your edits are very poor and I would have been justified in deleting more than I did. I will delete them again if you don't fix them. Zero^talk 06:41, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I am not arguing about 1948 war, you can edit or delete that.

I also removed the 1975 pogram part.

But, there was a major exodus of Jews from Lebanon in 1975-76, which is important and mentioned in several sources, so we should keep that. You can add the tag {Citation needed}, and I will try to find more sources. RogerYg (talk) 07:17, 21 December 2023 (UTC)