Talk:Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint Peter

Ascension

Is Ascension still celebrated on Thursday, even in areas where the local RC diocese celebrates it on Sunday? And in Canada? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 01:09, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

An alternative liturgy is assigned for Thursday of the Sixth Week of Easter for celebration where the Feast of the Ascension is on the following Sunday. The 1962 Roman Missal, whose use is still authorized (with limitations if used for Masses with a congregation) has no Mass for that Thursday, other than the Mass of Ascension. Guidance for someone celebrating Mass with that edition of the Roman Missal is provided here. The Divine Worship of the personal ordinariates surely has an alternative liturgy for the Thursday in question. Esoglou (talk) 19:43, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't know if anyone uses the 1962 missal AND Sunday celebration of Ascension, although I was in a parish which had that in 2010 (but returned to use of Thursday for that form of Mass in 2011). I guess that if Sunday celebration of Ascension was used in the 1962 missal, the preceding Thursday, Friday, and Saturday would be treated like weekdays of Easter time (as opposed to "Ascension time"), unless a feast or votive Mass is used on those days.

New ordinary

(Monsignor?) Steenson is noted today in Catholic-hierarchy site as having resigned, with a new ordinary being appointed. Please make note of that in this article.

It is worth mentioning that catholic-hierarchy is not a reliable secondary source, and this is one of the reasons. Steenson's retirement is effective immediately as of the announcement, but Bishop-designate Lopes has not yet been consecrated or installed as ordinary. So the current state is sede vacante. Elizium23 (talk) 04:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Unsourced

The following is unsourced - moving here til it can be sourced

Parishes

Thirty-five separate parishes in sixteen US states and four Canadian provinces fall under the jurisdiction of the ordinariate:

Canada

• Alberta (2)
• British Columbia (2)
• Ontario (3)
• New Brunswick (1)

United States of America

• Arizona (1)
• California (2)
• District of Columbia (1)
• Florida (3))
• Indiana (1)
• Maryland (3)
• Massachusetts (1)
• Minnesota (1)
• Missouri (2)
• Nebraska (1)
• New York (1)
• North Carolina (1)
• Pennsylvania (2)
• South Carolina (2)
• Texas (6)

- Jytdog (talk) 01:24, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Outdated sources

@Pbritti, if you insist on using sources that are 7 years old instead of perfectly accessible ones, then of course you will end up with an outdated article. Why can't you accept that the transitional period has ended and the three Ordinariates have been simultaneously, uniformly given a stabilized liturgy by a new name? I've provided ample sources, so your accusation of WP:OR is laughable. Elizium23 (talk) 07:19, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

@Elizium23: I have already shown that the terminology just got a new synonym in "Divine Worship" that did not replace "Anglican Use" with much newer sources than seven years ago (see here). I actually happen to know a substantial amount on the ordinariates due to personal affiliation. While I'm sure you have your own persuasion, I can assure you that my sources are far more reflective of the present reality. Thanks! ~ Pbritti (talk) 07:24, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, about those sources:

• EWTN exclusively refers to "Divine Worship" throughout their 2019 article.
• Fr. McNamara exclusively refers to "Divine Worship" after his questioner uses an outdated term.
• Here, CNA writes "Anglican Use" once - probably referring to the historical basis - and in a caption refers to "Divine Worship"
• Q&A on the official St. Peter site exclusively uses "Divine Worship" and nowhere mentions "Anglican Use" (or "Anglican Ordinariate", another deprecated term.)
• Your Johns Hopkins scholarly article is 9 years old and predates the promulgation of Divine Worship.

So I've covered all of the sources you linked in that edit and every single one of them agrees that the term is only "Divine Worship" and it is not "Anglican Use" or they would have at least made a parenthetical reference to it in some way. So tell me again how my way is WP:OR? Elizium23 (talk) 07:31, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Consider that Divine Worship exclusively applies to a series of liturgical books recently approved. This term is not comprehensive of all liturgical texts, rituals, and ceremonials that have and do occur within the ordinariates. You have hand-waved away that these sources all address directly that "Anglican Use" is still an appropriate term and outright ignore a 2022 source. Your interpretation of the sources ("probably") is textbook original research. ~ Pbritti (talk) 07:55, 31 December 2022 (UTC)