Talk:Personal luxury car

US-specific?

(Moved to "American personal luxury car". I think Europe already got there by 1955. "Invented by Ford". Yeah. Whatever. "Introduced to the US market", maybe. How is copying others "inventing?")

Well, I don't necessarily dispute the edit as a minor clarification, but I do think the reasoning given is shaky. I would like to encourage Tagishsimon to give us an article on European Personal Luxury Cars, Pre-1955. I doubt there being anything to put in it, frankly, but if I'm wrong I will be happy to learn something new and stand corrected. RivGuySC 02:34, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I personally dispute the move. The word 'American' already existed in the article, so it wasn't as if there was any ambiguity in the article. Does every article about an American phenomenon now have to have 'American' in the title, lest it be mistaken for a worldwide phenomenon? Do Europeans, or anyone else, use the exact phrase "personal luxury car" to describe something else? Given that I lived in England until 7 years ago, I doubt it; I've never heard the term used for other than the North American car classification. In general, we only disambiguate articles by nation when there is actual ambiguity to overcome, as in multiple things called the same name.

I'm moving it back, in the absence of any (IMO) adequately justified reason for it. If you disagree, let's discuss here.

Yes, it's certainly the case that there were European cars that were somewhat similar before the mid 60s. Though I'd argue that many of them were not exactly comparable and could not have been sold successfully in that market segment in the US. —Morven 08:10, Jun 10, 2004 (UTC)

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Just added some minor wikification as requested on the Clean-up page. Was going to edit as them requested but it's a bit more than I can handle at this hour. Not written in a very "straight-forward" style (but not necessarily bad.) Long, Tall Texan 06:15, Jun 9, 2004 (UTC)

As I recall, the initial revision of this article was copied from my Everything2 article of the same name. Everything2 has a rather different 'house style' and thus it doesn't read quite 'Wikipedially'. There's a lot that needs to be tightened up and perhaps a revising into more of a 'news style' would be better. —Morven 08:21, Jun 10, 2004 (UTC)

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I deleted some cars off of the European examples list. They did fit the definition of "Personal Luxury," being GT's or Sports Cars. The Audi A8 Coupe is a one-off car which is not relevant.

Alfa Romeo Spider, Aston Martin Vanquish, Aston Martin DB9, Audi A8 coupe, Jaguar XK, Maserati Coupe, Mercedes-Benz SLK.

Zephyrus67 18:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

What exactly is a Personal Luxury Vehicle

This article in its entirity, is on thin ice. Essentially the term is a marketing term, and has no outside agreed on definition. Why build a reference article around complete supposition? 842U (talk) 16:56, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

The article has merit in explaining the term, which is rather often used in Wikipedia. It, however, makes the mistake of trying to focus on the ephemeric concept of personal luxury car rather than the term. A good example of would be the article supermini car, which contains some elaboration beyond the definition, but it is mostly focused on where the term came from and what was it applied to. I believe this article could be similarly salvaged. Kind, PrinceGloria (talk) 21:45, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Picture of the 1967 Thunderbird is wrong

If the intent is to show an example of US-built Personal Luxury car, then a picture of a mid 50's 2-door thunderbird would be more appropriate.

What about Chrysler 300 series (1955 - 1965) ?

Why wouldn't the Chrysler 300 series (1955 - 1965) be considered personal luxury? Certainly they were never marketed as sports or muscle cars, or family cars.

Also, well-optioned Dodge Monaco and Polara (2 door versions) could also be considered personal luxury class.

Orphaned references in Personal luxury car

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Personal luxury car's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "allpar":

• From Dodge Phoenix: The Phoenix Retrieved from allpar.com on 12 September 2008
• From Chrysler Neon: "The Chrysler/Mini (Rover) 1.4 and 1.6 Engines". Allpar. Retrieved 2015-05-15.
• From Chrysler Cirrus: "1995-2000 Dodge Stratus, Plymouth Breeze, and Chrysler Cirrus". allpar. Retrieved 20 November 2015.
• From History of Chrysler: Mattar, George. "1958 DeSoto Electrojector - World's First Electronic Fuel Injection?". Allpar.com. Retrieved 29 July 2013.
• From Dodge Super Bee: "The legendary Plymouth Road Runner and Dodge Super Bee". Allpar. Retrieved 21 September 2015.
• From Chrysler 300M: "Chrysler 300M cars: big, luxury-tinged sporty sedans". Allpar.com. Retrieved 8 January 2014.
• From Imperial (automobile): "The 1981-83 Imperial". Allpar. 1978-10-05. Retrieved 2010-10-24.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 08:33, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Lead images

There is no justification to include an image of a specialty car made by a minor custom car maker, especially in the lead section. The "Revival" Stutz was a heavily modified GM-based car that priced at over $100,000. This model did not represent the market segment described in this article and it was not a mass-produced personal luxury car. Thanks, CZmarlin (talk) 16:18, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

I'll agree. The entire premise of the personal luxury car was that it was mass produced at affordable pricing. A customized specialty car with a ultra luxury price tag out of reach for an average consumer does not merit mention nor notice on this page. Watchdevil (talk) 04:16, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Market classification - not location of factory

Article contains two errors - it fails to explain how/why cars like the MBZ SL (300K units) ate the top of the PLC market beginning in the late 1960's. During the import boom, Americans can and did trade in their Lincolns and Cadillacs on functionally equivalent MBZ's, Jaguars, and BMW's (which were certainly not 'sports cars'). These consumers did not abandon 'Personal Luxury' as a concept. Also, article assumes that PLC market classification is synonymous with American built vehicle. American made PLC's were largely uncompetitive overseas, but PLC is still just a market classification. That does not prove that a car sold into the personal luxury car market, but built in Europe or Japan, is somehow not a PLC. PLawrence99cx (talk) 21:23, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

The Pickup truck article is good at dealing with the American-centric nature of the market class, without the claim that the vehicle grouping is unique to one location and place of manufacture.PLawrence99cx (talk) 17:49, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Contradictory

This article says the personal luxury car began in 1958. However, the Packard Caribbean article calls that car a personal luxury car, and its production ended in 1956. I don't know which is right, but I can't see how they could both be right. 49.198.51.54 (talk) 23:39, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for identifying the discrepancy in the description of the Packard Caribbean. The classification of "personal luxury car" had not come to use at the time of the Caribbean's production. The article has been updated with citations as to the positioning of the Caribbean in the marketplace at that time. Cheers! CZmarlin (talk) 03:37, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

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