Talk:Peter Arshinov

Was Arshinov an intellectual?

User:Galassi suggests that Peter Arshinov was an Intellectual cause he was a writer. So anyone who is a writer is also an Intellectual.

I think this is a false claim.

Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 23:15, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Find a source that states he wasn't one.--Galassi (talk) 23:21, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

First this is your problem, not mine. You have to prove that he was something, i don't have to prove that he wasn't. This claim is and was uncited. Second i already did that and you deleted me again. Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 23:27, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Arshinov wrote books, and was a PUBLISHED AUTHOR. The CONSENSUS is that he was an intellectual. --Galassi (talk) 23:52, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

First, he wrote his memoirs, and the history of his army. Thousands of guerilla armies participants did also that, are they all intellectuals? Google says: a person possessing a highly developed intellect. "a prominent political thinker and intellectual". Not just a writer of just 2 books or of his memoirs. Also i think in his time he was just self-publiced. He died as you know in Stalinist purges, maybe too poor etc. The claim is from someone anarchist author (maybe Marshall?), but i am not sure if it's correct and also if it's something that all the other authors -as i present one and you delete it- accept it. Last edit. I will wait other users. Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 00:06, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Definitely an Intellectual. Here p102. But we shouldn't strive to match words, it is the meaning of the sources that matter. So here: "At the end of 1917 and the beginning of 1918, anarchist publications announced that the All-Russian Congress was imminent," but the pernicious divisiveness within the movement reasserted itself, and the scheduled meeting never took place. The broadest gathering that could be mustered was a Conference of Anarchists of the Donets Basin, which met in Kharkov on 25 December 1917, and again on 14 February 1918 in the city of Ekaterinoslav. The Conference founded a weekly periodical, Golas Anarkhista (The Anarchist Voice), and elected a Bureau of Anarchists of the Donets Basin, which sponsored lectures in southern Russia by such prominent figures as Iuda Roshchin, Nikolai Rogdaev, and Petr Arshinov"". Paul Avrich Russian Anarchists p 173. Hope that is enough. Cinadon36 (talk) 05:49, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

The first is a master thesis. It also writes a lot of anarchist rapes and their trauma. Thank you! I was serching this kind of stuff. The second one didn't mention anything about intellectual. It was a very common practise for all workers/communists who were in prison/parties to do lecteurs. This isn't something special. In any case, i don't care (also u are 2:)). Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 12:22, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

You are welcome but keep in mind it is a theological thesis. The author is Eleanore Margaret Koop (MTS, Spirituality Specialization) Cinadon36 (talk) 12:50, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

I suppose this go two ways. Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 12:58, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

It is sufficient for the particular sentence. Cinadon36 (talk) 13:18, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

History of the Makhnovist Movement

These texts aren't in Wikisource yet, so accumulating here:

• German (PMA+70), 1923?
• French, 1923?
• English (no copyright notice/PD), 1974

Was there a Russian edition? czar 02:03, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Aye there is a Russian edition, also published in Berlin in 1923 by the Group of Russian Anarchists in Germany. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Date of death?

This article has his death date as 1937, but with no citation. The source for the 1940 date given on Wikidata says (according to Google translate) that "On April 1, 1940, he filed an application with the Military Tribunal of the Moscow Military District with a complaint that when filing an application for cassation, he was not provided with enough paper so that he could state the circumstances of the case. Further fate is unknown." Does anyone have more info? He's now got a Wikisource page, which wants to show his dates. Sam Wilson 07:16, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

@Samwilson: The 1937 date does actually have sourcing. From Darch 2020, p. 145: "In 1933, [...] Petr Arshinov decided to return to the Soviet Union, where he was arrested and shot four years later, in 1937."; from Patterson 2020, pp. 26-28: "in 1934, Arshinov renounced anarchism and returned to the Soviet Union. Three years later he was arrested by the Soviet authorities and executed for allegedly clandestinely promoting anarchism."; from Peters 1970, p. 96: "In 1934 Arshinov, frustrated by the dis­sension in the Anarchist camp, went to Russia and publicly endorsed the Soviet government. Three years later he disappeared in one of the Stalin purges."; from Skirda 2004, p. 283: "[In Moscow] he was to work as a proofreader up until 1937 in which year he was executed on a charge of having sought to "...restore anarchism in Russia."". -- Grnrchst (talk) 10:04, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

@Grnrchst: Ah, thanks! That sounds more thorough than the 1940 year then (although it does seem odd if he did manage to file an application in 1940). Should we update Wikidata? Sam Wilson 10:16, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

@Samwilson: It's certainly possible that Dmitry Rublev is correct on this, as I imagine he has more direct and comprehensive access to the Soviet archives than the above-mentioned historians. Unfortunately with the Great Purge, it's often difficult to get exact dates of death. Even Rublev here doesn't provide 1 April 1940 as the date of death, it's just the date Arshinov last pops up in the historical record (he lists the date of death as "after 1 April 1940"). For now I've added a circa tag to the year of death in the article, just to make it more clear that the date of death is uncertain. This is something I'd have to do more research into. As for Wikidata, I think 1937 should probably be added into the date of death field, even if we keep 1940 as an alternative reference (although I think it should be made clear that 1 April 1940 is not a date of death, and is actually the last date of record we have about him). --Grnrchst (talk) 10:42, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

@Grnrchst: Okay great, I've added 1937 to the Wikidata item, citing Skirda. Thanks for your help! Sam Wilson 02:44, 5 January 2024 (UTC)