Talk:Peter Janssens

Works list

Is such a vast list of his works needed? Since not one single one of them has been deemed notable enough for either an article or a red link, I think this is vastly over the top. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:33, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Nothing in Wikipedia is needed. I simply took it from the German Wikipedia, but shall take a look. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Looked: he has 138 individual pages in the German National Library, only about forty are listed: plays, cantatas, song books. We could debate about a hit selection, but then he is one of few for whom such a thing was published. He was productive, and the list is also a list of stations of his life and his otopics. Readers who are not interested can just look away, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

It looks like undue weight is given to these works, especially as none of them are deemed notable for English language Wikipedia. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:05, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

A German children's musical is hardly likely to get an article in the English Wikipedia, but it may be good to know that he wrote several, for example, + the authors he set, + the topics, including the Latin American connection. The list has weight, agreed, but I can't follow "undue". - I would understand your concern if it was just a list of titles in German. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

The concern is borne out in the fact that none of these are notable enough. A massive list of non-notable works is not what Wikipedia articles should contain. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:35, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

I would follow if these were single songs, but - repeating - they are substantial and notable works such as oratorios and song books. I would refer readers to the German Wikipedia if it was just a collection of titles, but they would have a hard time reading the descriptions there. This is an offer, not something needed. I could render it in prose but I read structured information much better. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:44, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt is from my point of view completly right. Especially in behalf of his oratories Peter Janssens is a very notable composer, who should be mentioned in the english wikipedia as well as for example Karl Jenkins in the German Wikipedia. Kind regards--Ἀστερίσκος (talk) 09:53, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm not denying the article should exist, I'm stating that listing dozens and dozens of non-notable works is not appropriate. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:05, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

A list of substantial compositions by a notable composer is encyclopedic. WP:Source list has no explicit demands on notability of entries; what gets listed depends on context and consensus. Even WP:Stand-alone lists#Common selection criteria allows for lists where "Every entry in the list fails the notability criteria." I think the list in this article is helpful. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:55, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

It's fine, I'm in a minority, but it's listcruft, a huge swath of non-notable works. If it's so important, a list article should be created with all 138 works. But I suspect that would be deleted as non-notable. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:00, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

...correspondent to the German proverb: Nicht alles, aber soviel wie möglich. Kind regards--Ἀστερίσκος (talk) 09:29, 8 February 2017 (UTC)