Talk:Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky Air Flight 251 (2021)
Latest comment: 3 years ago by Ahunt in topic Mayor died
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About the title change?
editThis flight has same name and flight number as Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky Air Flight 251. So anyone has answers? Aircraft Crash (talk) 13:15, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
- It's not unheard of for airlines to re-cycle flight numbers. United Airlines reused the flight numbers that were involved in 9/11 (until they recieved complaints), for example.[1]
SSSB (talk) 13:43, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
- Like the TWA 800 in 1964 and 1996, I think the title need change. And also the 2012 one need change too. Aircraft Crash (talk) 13:47, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
- I've converted Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky Air Flight 251 into a dab page. Hopefully there won't be a need for a third entry. Mjroots (talk) 15:24, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Mayor died
editReuters is reporting that the mayor of the destination city died in the crash. There is no reason for us not to include that fact. WP:NOTMEMORIAL is a thing, but so is WP:V. Jehochman Talk 22:14, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
- Moving this discussion from my talk page
The consensus is we don't name the dead or survivors of aviation disasters unless they have a WP article. Here are just some of the many discussions-
- Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Northwest_Airlines_Flight_255#Should_Cecelia_Cichan_be_mentioned_by_name?
- Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:1943_Gibraltar_B-24_crash#Question
- Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Galaxy_Airlines_Flight_203
- Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aviation/Aviation_accident_task_force#Here_we_go_again-_Munich_air_disaster
- Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pakistan_International_Airlines_Flight_705 Go to section Names of victims and survivors.
Plus see ANI discussions here[2] and here[3]. There is one exception- the cockpit crew of the aircraft involved....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 22:15, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
- Please put this comment on the article talk page. Thank you for taking the time to explain this, but in the present case I don't think it's quite so open and shut, and none of this is policy. Jehochman Talk 22:16, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
- This has been discussed ad nauseum per one of the ANIs I linked to. No, the mayor don't get named. @Ahunt: who also reverted you....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 22:22, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
- The above links are mostly about lists of all passengers. It's not that frequent that a mayor of a place happens to be among them. WP:NOTCENSORED is a thing and suppressing information from reliable sources for no compelling reason is unhelpful. Brandmeistertalk 23:01, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
- This has been discussed ad nauseum per one of the ANIs I linked to. No, the mayor don't get named. @Ahunt: who also reverted you....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 22:22, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, but in this case the mayor is not a notable person, meaning there is no bio on them on Wikipedia. As noted above we have a pretty clear consensus not to do this, plus WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Note that the town of Palana, Russia is a very small place, pop 2,920. - Ahunt (talk) 01:01, 7 July 2021 (UTC)