Talk:Peveril Castle

It looks to me that the coordinates given are incorrect. I believe that it should be SK14948260, but TF66572455 is given, which I think is Castle Rising. Could someone knowledgeable about the locations and coordinate system make the change? Tedclaymore (talk) 19:25, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

You are absolutely right. I'm not sure how I got that wrong, but I've corrected the grid reference. Nev1 (talk) 19:30, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Lose Hill

Just a minor point, but the photograph is captioned "Peveril Castle from Cavedale with Mam Tor in the background", however the hill in the background is Lose Hill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lose_Hill), not Mam Tor. 85.210.166.171 (talk) 17:17, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

As best as I can tell you're correct. Thanks for pointing that out. Nev1 (talk) 14:01, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

A Plan

Here is a plan of the castle derived from the Penny Cyclopaedia (1836) V6 page 354

I'll leave it to others to decide if it should be used in the article. -- PBS (talk) 12:59, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the plan bears little resemblance to the castle. It's a triangular enclosure rather than square as this plan shows, as this model of the castle shows (and backed up by the plan produced by English Heritage in its guidebook). Usually a plan is a very important piece of an article on a building, however in this case the reproduction does the job well enough. Though if a reliable free-use plan could be found it would certainly be a useful addition. I'd recommend great caution when adding plans from Penny Cyclopedia, as when looking at some old antiquarian plans I sometimes wonder whether the draughtsman ever saw the castle. Nev1 (talk) 19:47, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

An alternative plan...

Hchc2009 (talk) 06:35, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Main page

Congratulations on another great castle article! An enjoyable read!

I f I were you, I would scrap the pin map. They are virtually useless, as the mark disappears when you click. On the other hand, if you click the co-ordinates, you get any number of really good maps, hat will show the building, and facilitate going there.

Amandajm (talk) 04:13, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm ambivalent about it. It's a useful guide and means the reader doesn't have to leave the article to get an idea of where the castle is, and when Rochester Castle was on the main page a little over a month ago one of the comments was that a map of some sort might have been useful. The reason I'm not entirely fussed either way is because, as you say,the co-ordinates link to a number of much more useful maps, but I wander how many of our readers know that. Nev1 (talk) 17:02, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

For the casual reader, I find them quite helpful (I can see at a glance where a location is, rather than having to click or read a coord). Hchc2009 (talk) 17:13, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

What, Nothing About the Peveril Brothers?

Where do they keep the Elder Wand and and the Cloak of Invisibility if not at Peveril Castle? JSC ltd (talk) 17:33, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

The wand and cloak are on permanent display in the museum at Cair Paravel. Nev1 (talk) 17:55, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid you're wrong, Nev. I've been to Cair Paravel, and I couldn't see the cloak of invisibility there at all. Hchc2009 (talk) 19:10, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Timeline...

Downsize43, morning! I know its under construction, so I'm jumping the gun a little, but I have two comment about the emerging timelines section. I'm a little concerned that it may be rather duplicative of the main text above it; you may also find that producing succinct but accurate text labels for some of the events may be challenging. If its going to take a lot of work to produce, I'd suggest it might be worth discussing it further here first. Either way, good to see folks responding to the reader feedback commentary! Hchc2009 (talk) 06:24, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I believe that a timeline such as this must of necessity be duplicative of the text. I agree that completion of the table will be challenging, and welcome discussion thereon. Downsize43 (talk) 23:45, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I've moved the table over from the main page for now. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:08, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Is it your expectation that this will somehow promote discussion and/or assistance, or is there some other reason that you might care to share with us? Downsize43 (talk) 00:11, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

I'd moved it over because it had been under construction for several weeks and work appeared to have paused. I think it is heavily duplicative of the text preceding it and from what I've seen so far would advise its removal, but since it's not finished it makes comment difficult. I'd moved it over this way because it makes it easy for it to be moved back over and completed. Hchc2009 (talk) 05:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

We could debate forever whether or not this table is a good thing to have, but I am certain of one aspect:- A table such as this must contain a summary of the associated text, which makes your repeated comment that it is duplicative rather puzzling. Until some input from other interested editors is available I suggest we leave it as is. Downsize43 (talk) 07:28, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Timeline

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History of Peveril Castle

	Event	The castle	The lordship of Peak	Other
1086	Domesday Survey	Recorded in the Domesday Book
1100	Lordship created		Granted to William Peveril
1114	Death of William Peveril	Passed to William Peveril the Younger	Passed to William Peveril the Younger
1141	Battle of Lincoln			Peveril, on the losing side, is captured
1153	Peveril accused of treachery			Accused by future King Henry II
1155	Estate confiscated by King Henry II	Under royal control
1155	Death of William Peveril the Younger		Passed to Robert de Ferrers (son in law)
1157	Castle visited by King Henry II			Also visited in 1158 and 1164
1173	Revolt of 1173-74	Building improvements		Also larger garrison
1175	Further building improvements	Construction of keep
1189	Death of King Henry II		Granted to John of England	Henry succeeded by Richard the Lionheart
c. 1192*	John rebelled against Richard		Confiscated by Richard	* Occurred during the Third Crusade (1189-92)
1199	Death of King Richard the Lionheart		William de Ferrers paid King John for the lordship	Richard succeded by John of England
1216	Rebellion against King John	Castle given to de Ferrers to secure support		Castellan Brian de Lisle refused to hand over the castle
1216	Death of King John			John succeded by Henry III
1217	Castle surrendered to de Ferrers	Controlled by William de Ferrers	Controlled by William de Ferrers
1223	Castle reverted to the Crown	Under royal control
1235	Castle visited by King Henry III	Building repairs
1264	Second Baron's War	Castle given to Simon de Montfort
1265	Death of Simon de Montfort	Castle reverted to the Crown
c. 1300	Castle buildings completed
1331	Change of lordship		Lordship given to Philippa of Hainault	She was wife of King Edward III
1345	Change of lordship		Lordship given to John de Warenne, 7th Earl of Surrey

Names akin to Peveril

Well, I'm a tad confused, here. Would anybody knowledgeable on this topic care to shed any light?

There seem to be 3 similar spellings for castle and owners, as in Peveril Castle, William Peverel and apparently, according to the latter article, that gentleman's name has an alternative spelling with a double L ending.

Weird? Trafford09 (talk) 05:28, 31 March 2020 (UTC)