Talk:Phaedon Gizikis

Fascist or not

The issue is somwhat minor, but still... The man was an obscure conservative general used as a figurehead by a quasi-fascist regime. That does not make him a fascist, just as it doesn't in the cases of e.g. Victor Emmanuel III or Hindenburg. One could even dispute whether the Colonel's Regime was fascist rather thn reactionary-conservative and authoritarian. I notice that the article on the Junta does not even use the words "fascist" or "fascism". So I am removing the relevant category.Cplakidas 07:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I would privately call him a fascist (as in φασιστόμουτρο), given his shameful role in the Ioannidis regime, although I would certainly be highly POV and not wiki-compatible to do so here. After all, Gizikis ended up helping out with metapolitefsi and even served as an interim President of the Hellenic Republic, under whom the late Constantine Karamanlis served as Prime Minister. The use of fascist, in a critical manner, is always very POV. For example, Margaret Papandreou described Constantine Caramanlis himself as a fascist in an Interview Magazine article! Rastapopoulos 08:52, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

It's bad enough to try and define the term fascist; now we introduce a new term in the conversation! I would like to know the definition of quasi-fascist. However that serves to demonstrate the flexibility of the term and to paraphrase Andy Warhol: the junta had its fifteen minutes of fascism. Now if these fifteen minutes can be stretched to cover the whole seven years, especially under the strict definition of the term, is debatable. Given that my friend Rastapopoulos aptly mentions Gizikis' role in metapolitefsi, I'll give this one up. Nice discussion, thanks and take care. Dr.K. 17:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Quasi-fascism, now that is a concept tantamount to quasi-pregnancy! Like beauty, fascism, alas, is in the eye of the beholder... Rastapopoulos 07:01, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow! Sarcasm! Jolly nice! Anyway, what I meant - pardon my use of "quasi-" - is that the junta certainly had aspects of fascism - as all reactionary authoritarian regimes have (including Soviet communism), but was not consciously fascist. As for the rest, I agree with Rastapopoulos' comments on the POV use of the term, which is why I preferred not to use it. Cplakidas 11:42, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Impoverished and blind

I checked on Nexis and read the obituaries, I couldn't find either impoverished or blind in any of them. If anyone has a cite they can put it back, I've no idea whether it's true or not. JohnHarris 10:51, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Birth Place

Demetrios1993 I see that you reverted the page to say Volos, but in one of the citations I pulled it it clearly listed him as hailing from Arta, ie Athens. Since there is disagreement I feel we should discuss this before changing it from Volos, the original, to Athens; but this should be discussed before we leave it as that. Bgrus22 (talk) 23:40, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Bgrus22. First of all Arta is not Athens, but a town in northwestern Greece. I am surprised you say Athens, because even your source says it's in northwestern Greece. Second, the article already includes two sources that mention Volos as his birthplace, and many more can be added if it's necessary. By the way, that's what all the respective non-English articles in Wikipedia mention as well. I don't know why Arta is mentioned in the source you provided but it's most probably wrong both on the birthplace of Gizikis (Volos) and Ioannidis (Athens). Demetrios1993 (talk) 02:58, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I was operating on the assumption Arta was another name for Athens. When I googled the name Arta I didn't get the name of the city, but I must have misspelled it or something. Thank you for the correction! Seems like we have arrived at a solution! Bgrus22 (talk) 03:09, 4 May 2021 (UTC)