Talk:Phil Anselmo

Down as a side project

Should Down be listed under the side projects tab or as its his current main band should it be moved in to its own section and expanded upon? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.34.242 (talk) 12:50, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Removal of unsubstantiated/inappropriate material

I removed the short blurb claiming that Phil's voice has been damaged or weakened by chronic drug and alcohol abuse. This is unsubstantiated, uncited, and obviously one person's opinion. Clearly this isn't appropriate for an encyclopedic article. C'mon, you know you can't put this stuff in here.

70.94.32.98 05:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Reverted racism section

I think it is possible to make this assertion about Anselmo and have it be relevant to the article, but it doesn't work as written. First, tone is unencyclopedic and POV. If you're going to make edits that are potentially inflammatory, you really have to do your homework and get this right. Beyond that, the lyrics mentioned are misquoted and, additionally, do not support the theory that Anselmo is a racist. I'm sure that there is evidence to that effect out there, but this is not a good example. Also, adequate sources would go a long way toward making this more palatable. Again, I'm not averse to this section being added in (the whole article needs a lot of work...let's be honest), but if you're going to court controversy, you really should take time to do some research and composition to get the facts straight and the tone right. I'll look forward to seeing what you come up with. Happy editing. NObodyNOWHERE (talk) 06:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

There is a Superjoint song (Personal Insult) where Phil uses the phrase "sand nigger"

Anyone who simply takes someone who has made numerous suspiciously racist-sounding outbursts at their word when they say that they're not racist should have their head checked. That's textbook dog whistle racism and requires more investigation than simply leaving it in their hands, because of course they'll just say whatever is in their best public relations interests.

You just used the term "dog whistle racism", which is a term only employed by people using witch hunt tactics. Cultural Marxists, FAAAAR leftist SJW's, etc, use false accusations of racism against any and everyone who disagrees with them, to silence and discredit them. What you subjectively see as dog whistle racism is not a valid rational basis for saying someone is racist. It may very well be that he is racist, but only if he does things which satisfy the objective standards for racism, *NOT* satisfy the far left's witch hunting standards for racism, which are OBJECTIVELY INVALID AND INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST. Try again try hard.

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Alright first and foremost the person above me didn't sign what he wrote. Ok since we are all tossing around pov I thought I'd just go ahead and drop mine. Anyone who makes multiple racist outbursts should have their heads checked? Ok with who do we start? Phil because he's white or can Carlos Mencia get his head checked first? Plantation style racism is as strong as it's ever been but shock and awe comes from a white guy. Look at our country. Obama is elected president and suddenly Martin Luther King jrs dream has been met which should be a giant red flag that it hasn't. It's not until men or women don't get judge by the color of their skin that that will ever be the case. We had the world's eyes on us and they were talking like we finally stepped up to their level but hell how many countries have elected a minority president, prime minister or what ever the high leader is called? South Africa? No since ending apartheid they not elected one leader from the minority race in their country. All we have here is a case for white guilt. When a Black rapper comes out hating on a cracker that is perfectly fine. Look at racism in the history of this country. Look out at the people we pick to hate on and push as something high. But I wonder how many people want to know the history. I wonder how many motherfuckers know who John Casor is and what's the significants behind his relationship with Anthony Johnson. Phil is no more racist than Carlos Mencia. I don't think Carlos is racist but I do find it interesting that questions of his and numerous other people being racist doesn't come up but it comes around to being no question that Anselmo is racist.70.15.191.119 (talk) 23:09, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Great, so you essentially have a bog-standard Tea Party perspective of horribly tortured, unrecognizable redefinitions of the key notions behind "racism" that twists it all around, just soooo..... white people aren't so bad for being racist. Gee, what a shocker. I have no idea what the outrage of the entitled, well-off white person in America against the forces of change is supposed to prove Re: Anselmo, but you didn't even prove yourself capable of reading the initial statement - if someone makes numerous racist-sounding outbursts, but then goes on to say "oh I'm not racist" - and you believe them just because they said so - THEN you need to have your head checked, because of course they're going to say whatever is in the best interests for their public relations. Having his sales plummet as a result of justified anti-racist backlash wouldn't make his day.

"We had the world's eyes on us and they were talking like we finally stepped up to their level but hell how many countries have elected a minority president, prime minister or what ever the high leader is called?" Well, Britain had a Jewish PM as long ago as the 19th Century (Disraeli). More recently, India's leading party is led by a white european (Sonia Gandhi) and their PM is a Sikh - a tiny minority in a country as populous as India, the world's largest democracy of course.

Vocal Range

Clarrification on Phil's vocal range. Currently this article says he has the identical to Chris Cornell (See Cornell's article). Surely this is incorrect, as this would apparently make Phil a tenor (according to Cornell's article at least, either way one of the articles needs correction). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.59.29 (talk) 01:17, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Further discussion, as stated in this forum https://therangeplanet.proboards.com/thread/1060/phil-anselmo, claims Phil's vocal range is E1 - B♭5 . It's probably the most well documented resource available online regarding this aspect.

@Marco123456789~enwiki: Forum posts are not a reliable source unfortunately FMSky (talk) 17:14, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Grindcore

Should be added to genres. 87.70.89.223 (talk) 15:52, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Defunct side projects

I think this needed cleaning up. The wording was pretty biased it seems, especially the Christ Inversion section. It almost seemed like an advertisement. I removed "On the band's MySpace page, they describe their sound as "the venomous vomit of Satan!" and cite Venom, Celtic Frost, and Satan as influences." as it doesn't seem to be significant or encyclopedic

Also, I think there should be more more verifiable sources in Defunct side projects If anyone ever has the time or resources, or is bored enough to do so Maelstromlusby (talk) 02:50, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

"Venomous vomit of Satan" sounds like a Bloom County joke. MrBook (talk) 17:10, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

early childhood?

A pet rottweiler that died in 2009 should not be mentioned as early childhood, unless that dog had biblical longevity. Also, the source makes no mention of his father's restaurant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.79.13.15 (talk) 15:35, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Reliable source?

Had changed some of the personal information ([1][2]) as per this interview: "Phil Anselmo Plays Wikipedia Fact or Fiction" However, it has been reverted. Maybe Mr Anselmo isn't a reliable source for such information? -- Hillbillyholiday ^talk 22:12, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

I restored both of these changes DANZIG666 (talk) 14:36, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks DANZIG666! -- Hillbillyholiday ^talk 18:46, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Black metal

His new supergroup, Scour, is straight-up Black metal, plus Superjoint were partly Black metal, so I'm putting it in the genres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaggotSupremacy555 (talk • contribs) 16:41, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

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Autobiography?

A while back I heard Phil was going to write an autobiography but there's nothing about it on the page now. Does anyone know if he's still planning on writing one and should this be included on the page? VenomousConcept (talk) 16:04, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2021

add this:

The Satanic

The Satanic was a death metal band that was active between 1993-1994, Their influences included Darkthrone, Beherit, & Blasphemy. The band featured Joe Fazzio (Vocals), Steven Gaille (Guitar), Kirk Windstein (live Guitar) and Philip Anselmo (Drums/Backing Vocals). They only did 2 shows, the first one was with Apostasy and Hangnail and the second one was with Graveyard Rodeo. They recorded a demo in 1993 in a studio owned by Ryan Ahrens. Only a certain amount of copies were made, some went to the band, some went too a select few friends of the band, and another one was sent to a record company. The band members all had costumes and their own aliases. Steve was Tragedy Bestower, Kirk was Nun Molester, Marc was Dark Lord of Weregoats, Phil was Clovenhoof, & Joe was Corpse Grinder. Thenecr0wizard (talk) 02:17, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm unsure if YouTube links are valid sources. Could someone more experienced provide an insight? MBihun (talk) 07:44, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Youtube videos are not valid sources. You need to find secondary sources discussing the band in relation to Anselmo. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:22, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up. MBihun (talk) 15:13, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

References

Why do you want to hide Anselmo's explicit racist atitudes?

It quite moving and touching the effort that users like Dr.Pinsky and FMSky are putting in this article on trying to smoothen or hide Anselmo's racist attitudes, even though there are videos from live concerts, interviews, "White Power" shouts in concerts, Hitler salute, Confederate flags to show the opposite. Arguing that some Pantera lyrics talk about "unity" because they say "f*ck all racial matters" at the same time he says in a concert in Canada that "it is a white thing" and some rap artists are "pissing over the white culture" seems quite reasonable though. Wow. Congratulations for failing to understand the most basic elements that identify someone with strong racists beliefs and what fighting racism is about.

EDIT: now Hey man im josh now joined this "hide the racism and try to make a lame balance" task force.

tty666 (talk) 18:40, 29 June 2022 (UTC +2)

Hello @Tty666, I hope you understand how inappropriate it is to make personal attacks and accuse people of being racist for having a disagreement regarding content. I'd like to take this opportunity to point you towards assume good faith of fellow editors. I'd also like to mention, as I did on your talk page, the three revert rule regarding edit warring.

I'd argue it's relevant to leave the content in because it shows a shift in attitude. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:54, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Hey @Hey man im josh, I actually understand how it is inappropriate to assume that you are in good faith while absolutely ignore the importance on being fair on putting elements about such important social matters in a scale. It is a matter of values, of course; mine here in Europe maybe are not the same as yours in North America, but one thing is important to remark: racism is the almost the same, everywhere in the world. I didn't called you "racist", please be attentive to what was written to you; I affirmed that you joined a biased task force on behalf of a racist person, trying to balance the unbalanceable. Hence, I can't assume you are in plain good faith. In addition, lyrics written in the past indeed shows a shift in the attitude of today; to worse. Please, be reasonable. Tty666 (talk) 17:11, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Regardless of how anyone feels one way or the other about it, I've removed the lyric interpertations per the rule regarding No original research. Merely linking to the Pantera website with the lyrics to the songs and claiming that anyone can see they have a theme of "unity" or an antiracist message is subjective, in particular this analysis of a primary source wasn't supported by any secondary or tertiary source as required by the Primary, secondary and tertiary sources section of NOR. In particular, NOR clearly states "All analyses and interpretive or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary or tertiary source and must not be an original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors" X0n10ox (talk) 06:19, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

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