Talk:Philippa Stroud, Baroness Stroud

Neutrality and Notability

This page was created on the same day that allegations about Stroud's religious beliefs and practises appeared in The Observer newspaper. Originally, the page claimed that Stroud founded a Church which "tried to "cure" homosexuals and transgender individuals by driving out their 'demons' in the name of 'God'," but an important 'allegedly' has since been added. There is no mention of Stroud's statement of denial.

I would like the neutrality of this article to be verified by someone far more knowledgeable about Wikipedia than I. Only 2 newspapers have this story on their websites, and it has not yet been covered by any other newspapers or the BBC. This page was created specifically because of these allegations, so I also would like to question it's notability. I have marked this page as a candidate for deletion. Please feel free to discuss below.

Aiyda 00:04, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I have added the denial. I have added it as a quote as I think it is important to give the full context of what she actually denied.

As for deletion, as Stroud is likely to be an MP (or not) before any AfD completed, I think nominating for deletion now would be counter-productive. A second point is that she probably is notable enough to have an article even if not elected. Although, only 2 outlets have picked up this story so far, she does appear to have plenty of hits on other activities such as at her position at the Centre for Social Justice and being an author.Pit-yacker (talk) 00:18, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

A Few press cuttings:

• Number 81 in the Top 100 most influential right-wingers:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/6256140/Top-100-most-influential-Right-wingers-100-51.html
• http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6194886.ece
• http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6861008.ece
• http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/dec/02/childprotection-children
• http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gods-Heart-Poor-Philippa-Stroud/dp/0854768254/

Pit-yacker (talk) 00:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

She's the Head of the CSJ and she's a published author. She's notable even if she isn't elected. Of course, the General Election's in four days, it's CERTAINLY premature to decide now, but she's notable regardless. Bumcheekcity (talk) 06:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Church Controversy

Just changed the entry to correct the fact that Stroud founded the Kings Arms PROJECT in 1989, and the Kings Arms CHURCH in 1992. The controversy related to her work on the project. Jimmy D 17:36, 31 March 2011 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.189.225.214 (talk)

I have undone the change as Philippa Stroud denies founding the church. According to the Observer (I have added emphasis to the bit relating to said church):
COMPLAINT FROM PHILIPPA STROUD
Since publication, we have received a legal complaint from Philippa Stroud. She disputes the testimonies contained in the article and states that she has helped individuals of all sexual orientations to deal with a multitude of problems such as drug addiction, self-harming, alcoholism, eating disorders, and sexual abuse through prayer as well as offering practical help and advice. She also says that she has never founded a church, let alone a church that tried to 'cure' homosexuals. She has never prayed or advised any person to change his or her sexuality and has never countenanced any person for whom she has had responsibility attempting to question any person's sexual orientation or to re-orient them. In addition, the reference to demonic activity in her book "God's help for the poor' does not relate to sexual orientation but to those who have been involved in occult practices, including violence and sexual abuse.
She adds that the New Frontiers Church network is based in the UK and has over 600 branches worldwide of which 220 are in the UK and no more than 30 are in the USA. It is not part of the US Evangelical Movement.
Source:http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/02/conservatives-philippa-stroud-gay-cure (accessed on 1 April 2012).—GrahamSmith (talk) 11:17, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

this is confusing: "she had founded the Kings Arms Trust in Bedford, that provided religiously-based social services to alcoholics and drug addicts. Twenty-one years later, the church attracted controversy when an article in The Observer of 2 May 2010 alleged they had tried to "cure" homosexuals and transgender individuals by driving out their 'demons' in the name of God". What is "the church", and who are "they"? Richardson mcphillips (talk) 19:04, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Agreed this section is confusing and as the allegations have no solid references to be based from, and have been denied on the record by Stroud, it would probably benefit the page more to remove this section. If there is no challenge to this change I can make it.” User:AustraliaHanks (talk) 15:47, 03 October 2018

This section has now been removed. Thanks everyone.” User:AustraliaHanks (talk) 16:13, 29 October 2018