Talk:Philippine television drama

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Pinoy Big Brother a teleserye? Gimme a break lol --Howard the Duck 17:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

It is a teleserye; dubbed as "Teleserye ng Totoong Buhay." Seems you're not watching even you're editing articles of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.1.53.2 (talk) 14:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, if we'd go by that billing, Wikipedia would've been ran over by fanboys. --Howard the Duck 14:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

its not a teleserye, its a reality tv show lol. altho i am wondering why this page is considered for deletion? it contains accurate and useful info.

Accurate and useful information duplicated at telenovela. --Howard the Duck 13:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll delete the numerous fantasy based actors and villains because I think they should be under the fantaserye page not in the teleserye page. Fantaseryes are of a different genre and have more characters. Otherwise, I think that if they are included here, this page will become very long and will contain characters that are under a fantaserye genre and not related to this page. just a thought. Jaxology 05:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC) 210.213.91.106 15:20, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I think this article is too biased. It is too in favor of ABS-CBN's soap operas and there are too many praises for ABS-CBN's shows.

And it isnt true that Rounin will be the first Science Fiction Teleserye.

Lupin isnt based from the anime. Ot was based on the novel by Leblanc.

Better improve the facts or better delete this article.

That is why users are welcomed to edit the page and improve it. At some point, it favours ABS CBN shows because their teleseryes have been more successful in the past than the teledramas of GMA (before the fantaserye era started) thats why there are more ABS CBN info that can be added. As opposed to this, GMA specialises on telefantasyas so the fantaserye article is likely to be in favour of GMA because they are famous in that genre. It probably has more info on GMA shows and praise their shows as well. Rounin MAY be the first ANIME serye (although it should be stated by facts as it lacks sources) or that bit should be deleted.

If you think that there are some mistakes in this article, you can re edit it to become more factual. It should be noted however, that the name "teleserye" was popularised by ABS CBN. Fantaserye on the other hand is popularised by GMA under the name " telefantasya". I believe whichever popularises the genre usually gets the praise?

How can Claudine Barretto Be a fantaserye queen when she only made one fantaserye? (Jaxology 14:53, 9 January 2007 (UTC))

Deleting entries

Some users have been constantly deleting some important info added to this article, citing "insignificant entry" when they have actually been important. For example,

Notable actors/actresses of GMA (i.e. Angel Locsin, Richard Gutierrez, telefantasya princess and prince) They have been called/tagged as that in numerous occasions in the media (both on TV and magazines) and still someone is deleting these entries citing "unestablished title of actors?)

Pls discuss them first before deleting them. Seems like some people who edit this page are biased or a fan of a particular network thus deleting entries about the rival network. BE FACTUAL, this is an encyclopedia article, not a debate as to which is a better station.

Some parts Better be deleted

Due to the constant editing of this article, without pure facts to back up some information, the notable actress/actors part will be deleted as fans have been making this article subjected to biased info, usually ending up with unclear information and more of a positive article towards a particular actor. BE FACTUAL and unbiased, this is a wikipedia entry.

For example, Claudine Barretto has done 5 teleseryes vs. Judy Ann Santos who has done 7. Darna is the telefantasya series that garnered the highest rating for a pilot episode (based on official Mega Manila ratings) not Marina. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jaxology (talk • contribs) 09:50, 27 January 2007 (UTC).

GMA/ABS

Please keep "network wars" off wikipedia. Viewing the history, it saddens me to see pro-GMA users slant the list in favor of their network and the ABS camp does the same. Can we just keep to being encyclopedic here people? Shrumster 19:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I AGREE! this is a reference guide. This article is not a proof as to which network is better. IF this network war continue, all trivias, ratings, records and such are better deleted as they are always edited/changed (almost every wk) with the same info continuously deleted, added, deleted and added again and again!

If this continues, this article will be left with only the definition, timeline and history. 138.130.172.149 12:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

IMHO, this should be just a redirect to telenovela. --Howard the Duck 13:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Merge to telenovela

Despite the claims in this article, there is no difference whatsoever between the Latin American telenovela and the Filipino "teleseryes", just that it is termed differently. All of the so-called differences exist in Latin American telenovelas. --Howard the Duck 03:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Merge to telenovela. Otherwise, the article should be retitled to "Philippine television dramas", as with "Japanese television dramas", for there was a time when encyclopedias referred to stage drama when they used that word "drama", as does the encyclopedia entry on "drama" and the redirect page "American drama". --Bagoto (talk) 21:26, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Telenovela vs. Teleserye

As far as I have observed, the Filipino television has created a term especially for Filipino based soap operas to create a distinction between the two. Telenovela covers the entire soap opera creation from the Latin continent. You may find that it is very difficult to find articles of Filipino soap operas as detailed and helpful as this teleserye article (i.e. the detailed timeline, history etc). IF this article is merged to telenovela, IN MY OPINION only, helpful information that this article provide may be difficult to find elsewhere.

I believe that the telenovela term for filipino series was only familiarized to the Filipino viewers after the popularity of the Spanish telenovela Marimar in the mid 90s. That is why ABS CBN created the term teleserye specifically for Filipino soaps. Now, it is used more than ever and has achieved the distinction of being Filipino made soap opera. Hardly anyone used the term telenovela in Filipino soap operas before Marimar. Just my opinion, its more on creating a Filipino distinction over telenovelas, not really just another telenovela like the Latin version. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.130.173.192 (talk) 13:01, 13 February 2007 (UTC).

Actually, newspapers and even Game KNB still use the term "telenovela" when referring to locally produced soap operas when there's no significant deviation from the telenovela model. I think of it as "teleserye" is the Tagalog translation of "telenovela", and we should have articles for each and every word in the dictionary.

As for moving it to "Drama Serial (Philippines)", it still doesn't cut it, it still is, and was a telenovela. --Howard the Duck 07:32, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I wonder where we can find teleserye info (ie. timeline, history and overview etc) of teleserye articles if this is to be merged with telenovela though. I think it is very difficult to find info about teleseryes when I search for the key term telenovela. However, moving it to drama serial (Philippines) is going on a different direction, they are called teleserye more often that drama serial (just my opinion?). I dont know to revert it back, though

Yeah, the move was silly since no one calls it "drama serial". It doesn't achieve things rather than making confusing and created double redirects. As for the telenovela page, I'd admit that has to be the worst article in Wikipedia, badly written, disorganized, etc. With that said, that's the reason why I have been hesistant to do the merge since it'll make that article more disorganized. But once that article gets cleanud up, it will be relatively easy to do the merge and to find information about telenovelas in the Philippines. As a matter of fact, it would be extremely short since they're basically identical.

And still, no one has to say to me what makes telenovelas in the Philippines different from other telenovelas. --Howard the Duck 06:54, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Well I suppose, there aren't really many difference, its more of a distinction and/or VARIATION of soap operas created from different countries since almost all of them have similar plot, style, genre, themes, structure (I guess those are the characteristics of a typical drama series in many different countries). Like for example they are called soap opera/primetime television drama (any official term?) for English made drama series (UK, USA, Australia etc), telenovela for Latin made drama series, teleserye(aka teledrama) for Philippine made series and TDrama for drama series in Taiwan, Dorama for drama series in Japan. So in my opinion, they are all variations of soap operas in different countries. The Philippine TV is just behind in creating a term of our own (teleserye officially popularized in 2000), and still yet to be fully established since ABS CBN and GMA just keep on introducing minor variations of teleserye names (i.e. superserye, sineserye, fantaserye, cinenovela) which is just silly because it makes it more complicated to be established and become well known to stand alone as a term of Philippine made soap opera series. Whatever people actually call it, they still are made in the Philippines (own variations of each country).138.130.173.192 15:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

That's exactly why this article needs to be merged to the other article. --- Tito Pao 15:28, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Since the telenovela article looks clean already, I'd be doing the merge next weekend unless someone really convinces me to let it stay here. --Howard the Duck 02:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I support the merge since the teleserye is just a localized version of the telenovela, with essentially the same features. The emperor fitted with different clothes, so to speak. --- Tito Pao 02:34, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

It should be said the oppose vote wouldn't be here; it would happen after the merge when this would be transformed from a redirect to its own full-fledged article, like what happened on telefantasya when I renamed it from fantaserye, no objections on WP:RM, but someone screwed up the page histories, when someone moved it back to fantaserye. lol. --Howard the Duck 02:43, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I support the merge insofar as this is just another localized version of telenovela, as Tito Pao says, for we can't be creating articles for every new local name on everything, can we? There is, at least, a reason for a new article on siopao instead of it being merged with baozi. :) Otherwise, the article should be retitled to "Philippine television dramas", as with "Japanese television dramas", for there was a time when encyclopedias referred to stage drama when they used that word "drama", as does the encyclopedia entry on "drama" and the redirect page "American drama". --Bagoto (talk) 22:02, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Well, just a question, when this is merged to the telenovela article, will some info/parts of the teleserye page be added to the telenovela page? Or the entire teleserye page becomes redirected to telenovela? BTW, I agree the telenovela page does look untidy. 138.130.175.240 13:28, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Some gets to be mentioned there, it wouldn't be simple erasure of everything then changing this into a redirect. IMHO, the telenovela page looks cleaner that what I've saw before. --Howard the Duck 07:33, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm also planning to add info about sineseryes, telefantasyas and Asianovelas too. --Howard the Duck 07:58, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

User 138.130.175.240, the info/parts you mention would be nifty for a rationale on keeping this article as an independent article if those had verifiable citations. As they are, those entries just look like products of original authorship in Wikipedia, qualifying as unsourced material. Sourced material are what makes the article on "siopao" valid as an article independent of "baozi". --Bagoto (talk) 22:02, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Now that the page is not all about teleseryes anymore but a generalisation of drama series in the Philippines, (in which they say teleserye was just another Filipino version of telenovela), why would this still be merged when there is a whole page for teleroman, kdrama, taiwanese drama, dorama. Philippine drama series is not all about teleseryes anymore, thus not just telenovela too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.130.168.119 (talk • contribs)

These are the changes when this was moved (for like the 3rd time already). In short, there were no significant changes, I'll be performing the merge by the weekend unless anyone objects, with valid reasons if I may add. --Howard the Duck 13:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Merge. As for the rationale that there are independent articles for the teleroman, and so on and so forth, let's look at an article in a different field: there is a reason for a new article on siopao instead of it being merged with baozi. That reason rests on info/parts nifty for a rationale on keeping the article independent of its mother article. As they are in this article on "Philippine drama" (sic), those entries just look like products of original authorship in Wikipedia, qualifying as unsourced material. Sourced material are what makes the article on "siopao" valid as an article independent of "baozi". . . . And even if this article had verifiable reliable sources/citations, the article should still be retitled to "Philippine television dramas", as with "Japanese television dramas", for there was a time when encyclopedias referred to stage drama when they used that word "drama", as does the encyclopedia entry on "drama" and the redirect page "American drama". --Bagoto (talk) 22:02, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Merge or Shape Up

I'll get right down to the point.

This article hardly meets Wikipedia standards.

I mean, so many of the information posted here is redundant, most can be found or summarized in the Philippines section under the Telenovela article. I recommend a merge, and/or the deletion of this article.

If anyone believes that this article should not be deleted, then please edit it to greatly improve it. As it stands, it reads like a totally mindless piece, with concepts like "Antagonists are meant to make the Protagonist's life miserable"...uh, yeah? That's why they call them Antagonists...

Spelling and grammar need work. Also, please do cite sources for the info posted. Right now, the article has no citations whatsoever, making it more of either an advertisement or an essay.

If no citations can be provided, please cut down the fat of the article.

Because if no one will do it, I will. And I will likely remove the whole page.

ArrenRedemptio (talk) 04:07, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree. --Bagoto (talk) 22:04, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Telenovelas vs Soap Operas

Telenovelas are not Soap Operas. They are distinct genres. IMO, Soap Operas are exercises in frustration; they never end. Telenovelas have an ending and usually last less than a year. The other names for series, like the Philippine, French, Canadian, etc., various names for series, need clarification. Are they never ending Soaps or are they telenovelas? The same people who cannot stand soap operas may love telenovelas. These distinct genres should not be merged, but separated.(EnochBethany (talk) 13:45, 9 July 2010 (UTC))

Teledrama specific to the Philippines?

Teledramas are nothing more than television dramas...

...and they've been around since the very beginning of television; which, believe me, didn't happen in the Philippines.

The Philippines is but one of MANY countries, now, which have dramatic television programming (teledramas) on their respective countries' television networks and cable systems.

This article needs to be re-written to show the US history of the teledrama, and then reflect that many other countries now have them.

How this became a Philippine-specific article, in light of the true history of the teledrama, I do not know; though I suspect it was as simple as some young person from the Philippines, who doesn't have either an International perspective, or any sense of history outside his/her own country, sort of ignorantly cobbled this thing together, without stopping to think about how provincial it was. (And, by the way, by "ignorant," I don't mean offense. Ignorance simply means "lack of knowledge" about whatever is the subject. It is not synoymous with "stupid" or anything which actually would be offensive. No one knows everything, and so we're all ignorant about at least something in the world.)

I hope this page isn't just deleted. Rather, I hope that someone will simply sit down and re-write it (pretty much completely) to reflect the true history and meaning. Or, who knows... maybe the best way to make that happen is, in fact, to just delete it so the word "teledrama" shows-up in red throughout Wikipedia; which, in turn, may cause someone who actually knows what it is in the master scheme of things can create a whole new one.

Anyway, that's my $.02 worth.

Gregg L. DesElms (Username: Deselms) 01:21, 18 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deselms (talk • contribs)

I fully agree. --Bagoto (talk) 02:03, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Move to "Philippine television drama"

As per my reiterations above, I shall be moving this wiki to a page titled "Philippine television drama". Any protestations? —-- Bagoto (talk) 01:32, 16 June 2015 (UTC)