Talk:Photios I of Constantinople/Archive 1

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Photius a Catholic Saint

This may come as a surprise to many, but Saint Photius is also a canonzied saint of the Catholic Church. Eastern Catholics of the Byzantine rite celebrate his feast liturgically on the same day in the same exact manner as the Eastern Orthodox Churches. He is also commemorated, though not liturgically, by the Latin Church.

I believe we need more than a parish website to confirm this, especially as the Catholic Encyclopeida calls him "one of the worst enemies the Church of Christ ever had, and the cause of the greatest calamity that ever befell her." Even if there are some Eastern Catholic rites that celebrate his feast, he certainly isn't a canonized saint of the universal Church. --Io An Ma 20:45, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, probably we should simply say that he is a saint among the Eastern Catholics and the Orthodoxs.--Aldux 20:53, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

All Catholic sui iuris Churches being of equal right and dignity, a saint of one Church is a saint of the Church universal, even if they are venerated in one Church to a greater degree than in another. The Catholic Encyclopedia is not an official Church document, and the author is simply giving his own personal opinion.DominvsVobiscvm 22:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

But the CE does have an imprimatur, which makes it something than a simple opinion.--Aldux 09:56, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

The imprimatur is just a moral assurance on the part of a bishop or religious superior that a work is free from doctrinal error. It is not at all an ecclesiastical endorsement of a particular opinion, about which good Catholics can be in disagreement.DominvsVobiscvm 05:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

The source DominvsVobiscvm cited says that Photios was canonized by the Orthodox Church. It does not say he is recognized as a saint by any Catholic Church, eastern or western. His citation thus does not qualify as a source for his statement. In fact, the version of the Byzantine menologion (calendar of saints) used by the Greek Byzantine Catholic Church omits all mention of Photios. Lima 09:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

He appears in the calendars of the Recensio Vulgata Sluzhebnik (Leitourgikon) published by Rome for the Russian Catholics in 1956, ditto the Recensio Vulgata Apstol published in 1955 and the Gospels published in 1958, so he is a saint of the Russian Catholic Church, which is equal in dignity to the Roman, since all Catholic Churches sui juris are equal. Ergo. Catholic saint. InfernoXV 04:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

• Patriarch Photius I of Constantinople → Photius … Rationale: The patriarch Photius is by far the most common Photius, as indicated by the redirect Photius which points to the article in question, and by the google hits.--Aldux 11:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Survey

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

• Support per nom. --Aldux 11:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose I dunno. Someone might one day wish to add any of the number of other saints who are named Photius. I say we just keep it as it is; if it aint broke, don't fix it!DominvsVobiscvm 05:12, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose As long as there's a redirect from Photius, I see no harm in sending the user to the full named article. Also, if we add other Photius articles in the future, we won't have a disambig and relinking nightmare if we keep the current title. --Davidstrauss 09:23, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Not moved. —Nightstallion (?) ^{Seen this already?} 10:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Aldux was right. And "Photios" is not what English literature uses. But hey, who gives a shit?

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:John VI of Constantinople which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 19:00, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Eudoxia Ingerina

(deleted) Not at all. Ingerina was the mistress of Emperor Michael III, Barda's nephew, and later wife of coemperor Basil I.---Pagaeos (talk) 17:16, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

date of commemoration

I changed his date of commemoration from February 6/19 to simply February 6. The "19" of course tries to account for the Julian Calendar, which is 13 days behind the Gregorian, but this is confusing and unnecessary. I checked around and it seems the feast days given for other Eastern Orthodox saints on Wikipedia only give one date. Horatio325 (talk) 11:41, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Actually, there is no consistency and many are given using both dates, some stating "by those churches using the Julian Calendar". Either, way, I personally wouldn't bother to edit it (or undo your edit). Vincent J. Lipsio (talk) 18:43, 23 May 2014 (UTC)