Talk:Phrase (music)

Ostinato

i think ostinato means a ryhmem — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.251.159 (talk) 05:01, 13 November 2005

• An ostinato is a repeated figure, sort of like a riff in popular music — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.242.139.69 (talk) 14:29, 15 August 2006

Please sign your posts on talk pages per Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! Also see ostinato. Hyacinth (talk) 05:11, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

This page had some strange vandalism over a long period of time. I think I fixed it. Hyacinth (talk) 05:04, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal

It seems this article is a much more expanded version of Phrasing and therefore it should be the sole source for this information. Anyone have any reason why this shouldn't occur? Adam Weeden 13:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

As things stand right now, it's pretty clear that that page is just a less developed version of this one. Conceptually, though, I'd argue that a phrase and phrasing are distinct (though related) concepts: a phrase is a syntactic unit of music, a unit of form, whereas "phrasing" is the set of interpretive decisions a performer has to make regarding how to "shape" the music over a local timespan (e.g. what the dynamic contours should be, how rubato ought to be applied, and so on). The interpretive process of phrasing thus requires, as a basic step, that one decide how the music is segmented into phrases, but that's only one component. So one could make a case that "phrasing" deserves its own article; it's just that what we have at phrasing isn't it. Masily box (talk) 05:26, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Nofootnotes

How and where does this article lack inline citations? Hyacinth (talk) 20:39, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Now the article has inaccurate citatations. For example, Stein (2006) should not be cited directly but Stein (1962) should be. See [1]. Hyacinth (talk) 17:11, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Balance

The article should cover the topic of balanced phrases. Hyacinth (talk) 06:45, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Modern examples

I was hearing 70s rock songs and Bohemian Rhapsody has a phrase played in piano by Freddie Mercury in the ballad section played in Bb3 and Eb4. Xopauxo wiki (talk) 12:46, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

phrasing

this article links to another article on phrasing, as it relates to DJing.

There is no artice about phrasing as it relates to music.

Can someone make this article? Because I really don't know what "phrasing" means. I know what a phrase is, and have known for a long time, but I have no idea what prhasing means. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.73.37.225 (talk) 21:57, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Musical phrasing - Enjoy! Be good silverster (talk) 15:46, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Musical phrasing merge

Wikipedia topics are not titled separately or merged based on being "interesting" (or not, however one would determine that) but on criteria such as recognizability, naturalness, precision, conciseness, and consistency.

At this point the previous content of phrase (music) and musical phrasing is not long enough to justify separate articles. They where both short enough to justify merging. Furthermore, the information previously in separate articles being together helps each provide background material or context for the other. Hyacinth (talk) 20:34, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

See also Template:Quote farm. Hyacinth (talk) 20:17, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

If I understand the above, articles about these two definitions of phrasing were merged primarily because of their short length, not because of a significant overlap between the two meanings. Reading the current article, it seems evident to me that these are two distinct topics that should be split into two articles. Each of the two senses of the word has its own section, and the lede fails to give a unifying definition. —Ringbang (talk) 12:25, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

 Done. I completed the split since it seems uncontroversial. The new article is Musical phrasing. —Ringbang (talk) 02:23, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

This article

My god, it's appalling. Tony (talk) 08:36, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Further on this theme: the problems start in the opening definition: "In music theory, a phrase (Greek: φράση) is a unit of musical meter that has a complete musical sense of its own,[5] built from figures, motifs, and cells, and combining to form melodies, periods and larger sections.[6]" The musical example throws a fly in this ointment. So bar 5 is wholly within the first phrase, including the upbeat anacrusis to the next phrase? See Rothstein's work on "phrase rhythm", mainly in the late 80s and the 90s. Tony (talk) 06:36, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

"a phrase (Greek: φράση) is a unit of musical meter that has a complete musical sense of its own"—goodness me. Tony (talk) 04:06, 23 February 2020 (UTC)