Talk:Piano Sonata No. 3 (Chopin)

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To respond to this commented-out--comment

I realize liner notes probably don't conform to the standards of references for Wikipedia; furthermore, the statement referenced technically expresses a point of view, but one that I believe is in consensus with the musical community. Not sure how to proceed here; would appreciate some help.

As to the first point: liner notes are often used as references in music works articles, so practice may be overtaking standards here if you are right, and I don't know if you are right. As to the second: instead of "profound", one usually describes if possible the more provable/discussable facts that (maybe?) lead one to think this in the first place... Schissel | Sound the Note! 03:25, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Liszt "variant" of final movement

I've copied this here from Talk:Transcriptions by Franz Liszt, as it's had no response for 6 years:

• I've just come across a claimed arrangement (or "variant") by Liszt of the 4th movement of Chopin's Piano Sonata No. 3 in B minor, here. I can find no record of this anywhere else, and I have my doubts as to its authenticity. Can anyone assist here, please? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 22:55, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Any ideas? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 07:46, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@JackofOz Do you have any published source. If yes then you may put into that article, or even here. Minh Duc le wiki (talk) 13:23, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Until recently, my entire information about this arrangement was what's in the MusicaNeo link above. I purchased it, and it's not even the complete movement (only bars 207-253), but it clearly says "Arrangement by Franz Liszt".

But now I've found this MusePress site, which gives more information about the arrangement. So it seems to be genuine. And it also mentions that bars 207-253 are all that's extant.

This is a youtube video of what's purported to be the whole last movement in the Liszt arrangement. It's clearly not being played by a human being. It has various interesting comments, and it's called "S. 479b". The published variant seems to be the only part of the movement that's different from Chopin's original. It's like an extended ossia. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 18:27, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Following up on your findings, I also found evidence for Liszt composing a piano sonata variation for Chopin from Grove Music Online. The source also claims the catalogue number is CRev.18, so i'm not sure on using S.479b as the catalogue number.

Also I'm planning to make this a good article so any advice would be much appreciated. ChopinChemist^Talk? 01:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC)