Talk:Piano Sonata in E major, D 459 (Schubert)

Genuine sonata or collage?

In the notes to Kempff's Deutsche Grammophon set, I read that "Nos. 1 and 2 are movts. of an incomplete sonata. No. 5 may have been written in 1817 and could be the 1st movt. of another sonata in E major. When published in a transcription for piano duet in 1864, the 5 Piano Pieces were given the title 'Grand Sonata', adopted ever since." The Wikipedia article makes just the reverse claim: that the work is not a collection of various pieces thrown together and labelled "sonata" but a single work intended as a sonata in unusual form and therefore misidentified by the publisher. So which is right? S.Camus (talk) 07:14, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

This is a very late reply, but this article might shed some light on the situation. Personally I'm on the side stating that D.459 is a complete 5-movement sonata. Double sharp (talk) 15:20, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

...ah. That was before I found this article. Yes, it is actually a collection of various pieces thrown together and labelled "sonata". However, the selection was a good one, because the pieces chosen have stylistic unity and a logical key scheme for a 5-movement sonata. Double sharp (talk) 12:36, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

P.S. I suppose it indeed makes for a better piece of music if you take Eva Badura-Skoda's performance suggestion and cut the first scherzo (making the key scheme I-♭VI-IV-I), but at this point we are trying to correct Schubert, which is a dangerous game to play. (Similar would be Paul Badura-Skoda's suggestion to reverse the order of the two middle movements of D 625: well-intentioned, effective, and probably historically unjustified.) OTOH, since the Fünf Klavierstücke as a whole are "a second-hand product designed for the early Schubert reception" according to the article I linked above in my September 2014 post, this four-movement solution actually better reflects Klemm's initial conception (removing the unfinished second movement of the Sonata). Double sharp (talk) 07:57, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

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