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Bizarre list of alternate forms

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The article opens: Pickaninny (also pickaninny, pickaninny or pickaninny) is a word ... I don't know what the intended list of alternate forms should contain. Perhaps an editor has fallen afoul of some kind of spell-check or auto-correction. 122.148.227.2 (talk) 10:43, 3 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Seems fine to me. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:17, 31 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

It wasn't fine when they made their comment but was soon corrected. (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pickaninny&diff=next&oldid=985021727) 2600:8802:571B:E00:4C92:A49F:111D:B31D (talk) 22:58, 23 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

Affectionate term?

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Doug butler recently added the text:

Piccaninny, once an affectionate term for Aboriginal children^[1] and, by extension, children generally,^[2] ...

^ "A Wonderful Christmas Number". The West Wyalong Advocate. New South Wales, Australia. 6 December 1929. p. 7. Retrieved 28 January 2024 – via National Library of Australia.

^ "Advertising". The Australian Women's Weekly. Vol. 28, no. 40. Australia, Australia. 8 March 1961. p. 57. Retrieved 28 January 2024 – via National Library of Australia.

The cited newspaper clippings are primary sources for the use of the term. They are only examples and don't say anything about how it was used generally. These statements are thus original research. Any source from the 1920s is going to be outdated anyway. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 08:06, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

An advertisement in one magazine for artwork or a regular feature in another magazine hardly constitutes OR. The "Piccaninnies' Pages" was a two-page children's feature in the "Australian Woman's Mirror" from the 1920s to 1960s, consisting mostly of original work by young children.

But "any source from the 1920s is going to be outdated anyway" is ludicrous in the context of changing attitudes and mores. Doug butler (talk) 15:30, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

A generalized statement based on the contents of a couple newspaper or magazine articles from decades ago (including about changing attitudes and mores) is what constitutes original research. Who is saying "Piccaninnies' Pages" was meant to be affectionate?

The age of a source definitely matters per WP:RS: older sources may be inaccurate because new information has been brought to light, new theories proposed, or vocabulary changed. In areas like politics or fashion, laws or trends may make older claims incorrect. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 18:54, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

A children's page in a popular women's magazine not affectionate? The feature ran for over 20 years with the same whimsical banner. Nowadays it might be called "Kids' Pages" but in those days "kids" was deprecated. Doug butler (talk) 21:28, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

Whether you are I think it's affectionate is beside the point. Article contents must be based on a published source that directly and explicitly supports the material, as per WP:Verifiability and WP:No original research. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 10:17, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

I tried looking in Google Books and found and H. L. Mencken quote (referring to the U.S.) which I have added. St Anselm (talk) 19:09, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

Unfortunately a source from 1945 has the same problem of being outdated (see above). Since Mencken is writing about his own youthful experience, it's effectively a primary source as well. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 10:29, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

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[1] "A Wonderful Christmas Number". The West Wyalong Advocate. New South Wales, Australia. 6 December 1929. p. 7. Retrieved 28 January 2024 – via National Library of Australia.

[2] "Advertising". The Australian Women's Weekly. Vol. 28, no. 40. Australia, Australia. 8 March 1961. p. 57. Retrieved 28 January 2024 – via National Library of Australia.

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