Talk:Pierre de Ronsard

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Labelling Boileau as a "dictator" and Ronsard's defenders as "people of taste" doesn't sound NPOV to my hears.

Romanian origin of Ronsard family

It seems that the romanian origin of the Ronsard family is a legend, propagated by romanian patriots, Vasile Alexandri included... Indeed, where is the reference of the poem where Ronsard should have written that his ancestors came from a country near Hungaria and near the Danube (so possibly Valachia), named Marquis de Ronsard? Viteazul 08:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Here is the extract from the poem (in "Le Bocage", 1554) :

(...) Or, quant à mon ancêtre, il a tiré sa race D'où le glacé Danube est voisin de la Thrace. Plus bas que la Hongrie, en une froide part, Est un seigneur, nommé le Marquis de Ronsard, Riche en villes et gens, riche d'or et de terre. Un de ses fils puînés, ardent de voir la guerre, Un camp d'autres puînés assembla hasardeux, Et quittant son pays, fait capitaine d'eux, Traversa la Hongrie et la Basse Allemagne, Traversa la Bourgogne et toute la Champagne, Et soudard vint servir Philippe de Valois Qui pour lors avait guerre encontre les Anglais. Il s'employa si bien au service de France Que le Roi lui donna des biens à suffisance Situés près du Loir, puis du tout oubliant Frères, père et pays, Français se mariant Engendra les aïeux dont est sorti le père Par qui le premier je vis cette belle lumière.(...)

Ronsart wrote this in 1554, the Crusades took place 4 or 5 centuries before. For him, the origins of his family are also a legend that he knows from his father (it is not an evidence).

The poet tells that his ancestor came from a place where the Danube is near the "Thrace", lower than Hungaria (so south to Danube), where a rich lord, the Marquis de Ronsart, would have sent his elder son to help the king of France Philippe de Valois to fight against the englishs (Philippe was born in 1293, dead in 1350, so the story takes place 250 years before the poem !). Philippe would have given to this ancestor a domain - although Philippe did not own any goods in the region at this time...).

"Ronsart" is the patronym of the poet, but patronyms come from surnames (like "de la Possonière"). Ronsart could come from "ronce" (bramble in english), so Ronsart means "place with brambles", a place name attested since early IXth century in this region (center of France), but also very common... It could also come from "Rossart", which is the local name of a river fish (Possonière also sounds like "poissonière" in french, and means place with fishes !!!), and the coat of arms of the Ronsarts has 3 silver fishes (!!!), like a lot of other coats of arms...

In Romania, the legend of "Banul Maracine" (that means "the lord Brambles") is very famous, it has been promoted by Vasile Alecsandri, a famous poet with nationalist ideas.

The pretended location would be better in today's Bulgaria (more precisely near Tarnovo - which means place with brambles in bulgarian !), as some of the numerous historians interested in the story have supposed.

For more details (cons/pros), please read a good article about this at : http://www.patev.net/origironsard.htm (in french). Viteazul (talk) 07:35, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I have read the poem

I have read the poem by Ronsard and the poem does exist. I have/had the book. The book is now on another continent, but on my next intercontinental trip I will contribute the reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.118.202.31 (talk) 13:09, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Ronsard on Skanderbeg

The preface of Jaques De Lavardin's book on Skanderbeg was written by Ronsard in the form of verses. Here they are source.

[...] Et Scanderbeg, haineux du peuple Scythien
Qui de toute l'Asie a chassé l'Evangile.
O très-grand Epirote ! Ô vaillant Albanois !
Dont la main a défait les Turcs vingt et deux fois [...]" "[...]

And Scanderbeg, hating the Scythian people
Which from all Asia has expelled the Gospel.
O! Mighty Epirote! O! valiant Albanian!
Whose hand defeated the Turks twenty-two times[...]"

Someone could use them for the article, otherwise I'll do some research myself.--Sulmues (talk) 18:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

This article reads like an essay

Specially the section "Final Years". Just sayin'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asimov123 (talk • contribs) 02:07, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Maybe the article is not perfect, but it is well informed and well written. If Asimov123 is capable to write a better one, he should do so. Gert pinkernell (talk) 23:01, 14 December 2010 (UTC) (author of the Ronsard article in the German Wiki)

I definitely can't. I know that the article is informative, I was just pointing it out because Wikipedia seems to not like essay-like articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asimov123 (talk • contribs) 02:12, 16 December 2010 (UTC) I'd remove the "essay" flag, as it gives a misleading impression there is a problem with the article. It's fine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wfzimmerman (talk • contribs) 20:54, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

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