Talk:Piers

Singular entries

@Clarityfiend: both Pier (raised structure) and Pier (architecture) are countable nouns per WP:PLURALPT so if the DAB pages are separate WP:DABCOMBINE these need to be included here as well. The category for the raised structure is at Category:Piers to as well as its Commons category and Commons:Category:Piers (architecture). Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:12, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, these entries do belong here: "piers" can refer to several instances of "a pier". This was also touched on in last year's RfD (which I've now linked at the top). – Uanfala (talk) 11:52, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

@Uanfala: Neither of the pages you linked to have any bearing on the issue, nor does the RfD. DABCOMBINE states that the plural version should be merged to the singular, but seeing that the legitimate entries are not plurals at all, it doesn't apply. The same thing happens with PLURALPT: the entries that belong here are not plural forms. The RfD concerns a page move only. Category naming is a red herring. Of course, it would be plural, since it encompasses numerous instances. So? Clarityfiend (talk) 21:32, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Clarityfiend, I don't believe I've linked to any pages, and I mentioned the RfD because this issue was briefly discussed there. A dab page should list all the topics that the term being disambiguated can refer to. Yes, even if for some of them, it happens not to be in the singular. And if you're suggesting – as you appear to be in this edit summary – that "piers" can't be the plural of "pier", then frankly, I'm struggling to imagine what shared common ground we could ever hope to start building consensus from. And btw, your ping didn't work. Have a look at WP:MENTION, these things have some conditions that aren't obvious at all. – Uanfala (talk) 23:31, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Uanfala What I said was that all legitimate entries here are not and should not be plurals. There is no reason to have the plural forms of singular things that are already listed in Pier (disambiguation). Also why did you refer to MENTION? It states there that "(many use the {{ping}} or {{reply to}} templates)". As with DABCOMBINE and PLURAPT - the pages I said you linked to - I fail to see your point. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:07, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Why should plurals be illegitimate? As for the ping, my point was that this didn't work. For a ping to work, it needs to be on a newly added line with a signature at the end. – Uanfala (talk) 00:15, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

WP:PTM says "regardless of the article's title" and plural entries are legitimate unless you consider Gasoline to be illegitimate despite Petrol redirecting there and there being Petrol (disambiguation). The point I was making about WP:PLURALPT is that its normal for a plural to redirect to its equivalent singular like Cars>Car but in some cases like Walls its a DAB and the structure is mentioned first. If the raised structure isn't primary for "Piers" it at least needs to be mentioned on the DAB. As noted in the RFD 45 of the links to "Piers" were for the raised structure while only 5 were for the name so its also likely editors who use DAB tools will benefit as well. Regarding DABCOMBINE I was saying that in some cases plural and singular are combined like Car (disambiguation) also has things just called "Cars" but Cat (disambiguation) and Cats (disambiguation) are separate but the animal is primary (and mentioned at the top) for both. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:12, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I've added Pier. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:02, 21 November 2021 (UTC)