Talk:Pigeon toe

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one of three underlying conditions.... hmmm I only count 2 conditions from the author — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.87.181.50 (talk) 08:05, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Etymology

Can't seem to find any source on where this phrase comes from since pigeons themselves don't have pigeon toes. The best I've found so far is that it may be a variation that started with in-toed (ie inward facing toes), then evolved into pigeon-toed This is just a wild guess, someone please help166.64.3.2 (talk) 00:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

What

What is the opposite of pigeon toe, where the feet point outward? There should be a link from here to the article on that condition.--Srleffler (talk) 17:57, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Splayed feet is when your feet point outwards (my dog has this condition on his front feet)166.64.3.2 (talk) 00:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Seconded, but I don't know that there is a well-defined term for the opposite. --Unnatural20 (talk) 01:23, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Duck footed? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:31, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

The article on Metatarsus Adductus is not quite right...As far as I know it refers only to the specific condition and not to anything causing in-toe gait...see: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001601.htm BluntDissector (talk) 16:51, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I've always seen knock-kneed used as the opposite, but the two aren't exactly comparable. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I have this condition and willing to answer any of your questions you may have?

"Spinal manipulation of the lumbosacral spine can also correct this..." No citation is given as evidence to support this claim, I do not think that is an accurate statement.74.178.29.68 (talk) 18:07, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

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Hello. I am a member of WikiProject Medicine, a Wikipedia wide project that maintains and improves articles that fall under the scope of medicine. Since your article has not fallen under our scope, I have placed the correct template(s) on this talk page. Thanks, and keep editing Wikipedia! Renaissancee (talk) 21:57, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

This is a congenital disorder, not solely an anatomical description, and the article contains information about medical treatments. It is therefore within the scope of WP:MED. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:57, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

UCF WikiMed

Dear contributors, I am a 4th year medical student at UCF COM currently enrolled in a wikimedicine elective course. I am interviewing for orthopedic residency with a strong interest in pediatric orthopedics. There are a few reasons that I selected your article on “pigeon toe”. Although often benign, intoeing is one of the most common atraumatic clinical encounters in pediatric orthopedics. This condition can cause significant stress for both patients and parents. An open access high quality article that provides parental education on such a high prevalent yet mostly benign condition is important to the field of orthopedics. As it stands the article is a great start into the topic of intoeing. However I do feel that improvements can be made.

Cause: The three causes of an in-toeing gait can be expanded significantly. Metatarsus adductus, tibial torsion, and femoral anteversion are quite different musculoskeletal entities each with different incidence rates, demographics, and prognosis. Diagnosis: the diagnosis section of the article provides a comprehensive section on the diagnosis of metatarsus adductus. However as mentioned earlier in the article this is only one of 3 causes of an in toeing gait. I would like to expand in the same upon femoral anteversion and tibial torsion Treatment: The treatment sections of this article is incomplete. Despite no treatment indications prior to age of self-resolution, management should include parental education and observation. Additionally there are nonoperative treatments specifically for metatarsus adductus that include parental stretches as well as serial casting if rigid. While surgical treatments are not indicated in asymptomatic patients there are operative options for patients that meet specific indications, which differ based on the cause of intoeing gate. Additional Sections Epidemiology: I would like to include the incidence, gender predilection, and age of presentation in a small epidemiology section Pathophysiology: Although the exact pathophysiology is unknown the causes of intoeing gate all have associated conditions which are well established intrauterine packaging disorders. The predominant thought is that metatarsus adductus, tibial torsion, and femoral anteversion also fall within that group of conditions. Signs and Symptoms: Limping, pain, and gait abnormalities such as tripping or unusual clumsiness are all associated with intoeing. It would be great to include a section to help parents identify if this applies to their child.

I would love as much help as possible and welcome all advice, corrections, or edits that you may have. I am excited to work with you all and appreciate the work that has been done so far! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pskroenung (talk • contribs) 21:33, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

UCF WIki Med student feedback

Lead section

Nice clear introduction. You could summarize more information from the article in the info box.

Causes

Good leading summary. "The most common form of being pigeon toed" is a clunky sentence; minor critique. References 7 is a primary literature, but the other references are excellent information sources that match up with the info in the article. Overall, this is a clear and concise overview of the causes of in-toeing.

Diagnosis

I like the Sgarlato angle picture and the description is clear and concise. when you cited a textbook you provided a link to the pdf which was excellent.

Treatment

Excellent description of operative vs. non-operative management with solid sources for each of the causes of in-toeing. Great, simple explainations for the procedures as well. Under metatarsis adductus, non-operative management a picture of the home stretches might be helpful.

Overall good read! Niec job and very informative! — Preceding unsigned comment added by FriendlyNeighborhoodPsychiatrst (talk • contribs) 17:56, 31 January 2022 (UTC)