Talk:Padre Pio

Ruffin's book should be used for primary sources

User:Horse Eye's Back you removed Ruffin's book as a source because it was not reliable. However Ruffin has used many quotes Padre Pio's letters, so can we at least use the book as a source for Padre Pio's letters? SanctumRosarium (talk) 21:08, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Why should we be quoting Padre Pio's letters if it isn't WP:DUE? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 21:51, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

What do you mean? Padre Pio's letters should be quoted because there has been a lot of reported mystical phenomena about Padre Pio and it is relevant to specify whether such phenomena have been reported by Padre Pio himself in is letters or by his followers. It is relevant for readers to know how Padre Pio described such experiences. SanctumRosarium (talk) 22:08, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Why is that relevant? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:15, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Readers expect to read about this. SanctumRosarium (talk) 22:29, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Readers of pious fairy tales, yeah. Not readers of encyclopedia articles. --Hob Gadling (talk) 07:36, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Padre Pio's personal views

Some content in this article should be removed because it is either too long or not notable. Padre Pio was not a politician and was never involved in politics so it doesn't make sense to have so much content on his alleged political views. Instead it would be better to add more content on his spirituality as he was a priest and was considered a saint by the Church. Also his views about how women should dress and on television are not notable and should be removed. It is not relevant to include the opinions Padre Pio may have had on every aspect of human life. Instead the article should focus on religion because he was a religious figure. SanctumRosarium (talk) 22:04, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

That's not how WP:DUEWEIGHT works, we focus on what WP:RS cover. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:16, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

All this content is from Ruffin's book which is not reliable. SanctumRosarium (talk) 22:29, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Undue weight to Castelli

The article is getting more and more credulous by uncritically accepting Pio's alleged feats of bilocation, celestial visions, demonic attacks etc. All this content is sourced to a single pro Pio biography written by a die-hard believer. A bishop Raffaele Rossi is being quoted citing Pio's stigmata as genuine as a "real fact".

I have raised this issue at WP:FTN [1]. Psychologist Guy (talk) 18:12, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

One thing is what Castelli says and another very different from the words of the inquisitor Rossi. You cannot de facto eliminate the words of the inquisitor Rossi sent by the Vatican to investigate Padre Pio. You must see which are Rossi's words and which are Castelli's, before eliminating left and right.

And regarding Rossi's conclusion about the stigmata, those are his words, after his first apostolic visit to Padre Pio, and therefore it must be attributable: "Rossi saw these stigmata as a real fact" It does not mean that it is true.--Rafaelosornio (talk) 04:12, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Revise for clarity

So many sentences in this article whose meaning is lost on me. A few examples: Outside his semi-official journal, John XXIII wrote on four sheets of paper that he prayed for "PP" (Padre Pio) and the discovery by means of tapes, if what they imply is true, of his intimate and indecent relationships with women from his impenetrable praetorian guard around his person pointed to a terrible calamity of souls. John XXIII had probably never listened to the tapes himself, but assumed the correctness of this view: "The reason for my spiritual tranquillity [SIC], and it is a priceless privilege and grace, is that I feel personally pure of this contamination that for forty years has corroded hundreds of thousands of souls made foolish and deranged to an unheard-of degree."

Maccari demanded Father Pio's omission to practice kisses after the confession for the lay sisters. Maccari noted in his report that Pio had inadequate religious education. He works a lot for a man of his age.

Maccari finished his critical report with a list of recommendations for further dealing with Father Pio. The brothers of Santa Maria delle Grazie should gradually be relocated, a new abbot should come from outside the region. WittgensteinsKey (talk) 23:32, 23 September 2024 (UTC)