Talk:Pipe organ/refactor

This has now been superceded by Wikipedia:WikiProject PipeOrgan

Welcome

The Pipe Organ Refactor Project is a temporary project to address some problems with the articles concerning pipe organs.

It exists for three reasons:

1. To help me and any others who participate keep track of what is done and what outstanding.

2. To invite others (you!) to participate.

3. To provide a target for a temporary message to replace the various merge and cleanup messages currently on the articles.

This is a discussion page. Feel free to edit it. Andrewa 17:26, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Participants

You don't need to list yourself here to participate, but it might help communication.

1. Andrewa
2. The Uninvited Co., Inc.
3. Daniel Lotspeich
4. L. P. (I'm not sure if I'm allowed to add my name here, but I am willing to help/participate and wanted to let you know.)

Refactor Project Message

I am replacing some of the cleanup, merge and attention messages with a message pointing here. As this is a temporary message, I have deliberately not created a template for it.

These messages should be removed when the article is in a state that no longer warrants cleanup, merge, etc attention, and not before. If you feel that another message is necessary in addition, as a means of attracting more help for example, then by all means add it. But personally I feel that this new temporary message is sufficient, obviously.

When all such messages have been removed, this project will terminate, and this page will be archived. Andrewa 17:26, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The message is generated by

<div style="background: #f7fbff; margin: .5em 2.5%; padding: 0 1em; border: 1px solid #79b"> This article is part of the [[Talk:Pipe organ/refactor|Pipe Organ Refactor Project]]. See that page for details. </div >

For a list of articles tagged with it, see below.

Scope of the project

This project exists to remove some specific problems with existng pipe organ articles:

• Excessive redundancy of material.
• Inaccuracy.
  • In particular, several authors (in good faith no doubt) have represented the features of some style of organ as being representative of all organs.

There will be some copyedits done at the same time no doubt, and material added, but those are not the main aims.

The project does not at this stage seek to address:

• Stubs. These will just be tagged with the existing {{musical-instrument-stub}} notice (possibly in addition to the refactor notice) and processed by the normal channels.
• Categories. There are several problems with existing categories, but all articles to be addressed by this project seem to be appropriate for the existing category:pipe organ, and will be added to it.

Progress

Several articles have been moved from category:woodwind instruments and the nonexistent category:organ to category:pipe organ, others with no category have just been added to category:pipe organ.

Cleanup, attention and merge tags on some affected articles have been replaced by the temporary refactor tag, and some new refactor tags added.

Refactor of pipe organ article has started, with a new introduction and structure, and a link to the newly-discovered organ repertoire article, which has itself now been added to cat:pipe organ and expanded a very little.

The introduction of electronic organ has been rewritten, to make it a more suitable target for a link from organ (music) and possible recipient of some material from this article.

I see Stop (pipe organ) has been merged to pipe organ, which wasn't what I had in mind at all but can work. However the logical structure of that article now seems rather strange to me. Andrewa 10:21, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Don't forget organ stop - it touches/covers a few things that weren't in the other article. (And BTW I chucked something into miter joint that probably should be redood.) Kwantus 04:13, 2005 Apr 26 (UTC)

G'day. I'm looking at the mitre joint article, which relates to woodworking and there's this bit there about pipe organs which I'd like to move somewhere more appropriate. Can you suggest a place for it? I know nothing about pipe organs. Maybe it needs a new article called mitre joint (pipe organ) or something and a link on the mitre disambiguation page? It doesn't make a lot of sense to leave it where it is. I'm happy to do the work if you point me in the right direction. SilentC 00:10, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

I've done some rearranging and added material to the already-expanded pipe organ article. It's a bit more logical in its structure now, but there is still lots to do. Andrewa 13:32, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Outstanding issues

This list will probably never be complete!

List of tagged articles

This list is for convenience; The tagged articles can also be identified by listing what links to this page.

• Variations in timbre of organ pipes: Formerly listed for cleanup, no talk page yet. Also listed as a musical instrument stub.
• Previously listed for merge, although nobody really thinks it should happen, what is needed rather is a refactor of both articles:
  • Organ (music) - refactored
  • Pipe organ
• Organ flue pipe scaling: Previously listed for both cleanup and attention; talk page reads Good information but needs to be translated a little better to the non-expert. Also listed as a musical instrument stub.
• Need to be merged:
  • Stop (pipe organ) - merged to pipe organ.
  • Organ stop - merge no longer required.
• Organ pipe - fairly bare

Planned article structure

• Organ (music) will be a short article for non-specialists, containing material about organs in general.
• Pipe organ will contain general information about pipe organs, including the history of pipe organs.
• Electronic organ will contain information about electronic organs, including their history.

• Comment: will you consider digital classical organs separately from electronic (e.g. Hammond) organs? - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 15:02, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Specific issues noticed but not being addressed by this project

• Category:electronic music instruments should probably be named electronic musical instruments for consistency with other category names.
• Electronic organ needs a complete rewrite, the style is a bit peculiar, in particular use of the feminine pronoun she to refer to all organists. But the content seems good, both accurate and comprehensive. No talk page as yet.

WikiProject Pipe Organ proposed

Hi. If anyone still watches this page, I have formally proposed the WikiProject Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Pipe Organ to see if we can give some revived support to improving the Pipe organ articles. Please add your name to the interested list and lets see if we can get this off the ground. Mdcollins1984 10:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)