Talk:Pippin Took/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 09:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

   Reviewed all sources with 2% or more match on Earwig's Copyvio Tool. No concerns.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Happy to discuss, or be challenged on, any of my comments BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:39, 28 May 2020 (UTC) Chiswick Chap I only have minor tweaks to suggest. The map looks good, but I haven't checked accuracy yet, should be able to do that shortly. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:56, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:48, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for making the changes Chiswick Chap. I'm happy to pass this for GA. Good work, thanks. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Map

I gather that Whitwell was located on the Green Hills, not far from Tuckborough, but don't see it on the map of Tolkein's I looked at. Is the inclusion here based on a description from the texts, or from other sources?

It's stated to be in the Tookland near Tuckborough as you say, in the Green Hill Country. That constrains it to a small area.

Yes, I think it's valid to include on the map in this context. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:20, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Infobox

• Some aliases are not covered in the main article and are uncited. Consider citing there, or including in the body of the article. (Peregrin I, Razanur Tûk, Razar Tûk and variants redirect here)

Added refs.

That's fine. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:20, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

• Fallohide branch - not covered in the main article, and uncited in infobox.

Added ref.

That's fine. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:20, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Prose

Consider linking "romance" to distinguish it from the subject of Romance novels. Maybe to Medieval romance literature? There are other options at Romance.

Linked.

That's fine. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:20, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Adaptations section is fine but a bit like a list. Consider redrafting or even making it a table, but this isn't a blocker to GA.

It's a bit dry; very hard to find decent sources to say anything juicier. Let's leave it.

OK. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:20, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Sources

• Primary sources

• "After crossing the Misty Mountains and being given a brooch by the elf-queen Galadriel" - doesn't look like this is all covered in "The Departure of Boromir," so may need additional ref(s) unless I've missed it.

Added ref.

That's fine. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:20, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

• "the tallest hobbits in history" - not sure if this is in "Treebeard" as my Google books preview is missing pages, possibly needs another ref.

Added.

That's fine. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:20, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

• There is no reference in the article to the stone-dropping "fool of a Took" incident in Moria. I don't expect a comprehensive recap of LOTR in every related article but as "Fool of a took" redirects here, you might consider adding something.

Added and cited.

That's fine. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:20, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

• Croft (Only part of the source was in the Google books preview, but support is in place from primary sources too)
• Shippey (to 2003 edition, so page numbers not verified)
• Nitzsche
• Kocher
• Bassham & Bronson
• Beck
• Behind the Voice Actors
• Radioriel
• Rehnström
• Walker-Arnott