Talk:Pivdenne, Odesa Oblast

City status

Can you people imagine that geo sh*t?! I've conducted a whole freaking investigation to find out whether Yuzhny is an independent city, or a part of Odessa. And no freaking Ukrainian bureaucrat have written that on their public-sponsored websites! They say there's a big nice port, but no proper political maps to find it, no proper subdivison lists for either Odes'ka oblast' or Odesa itself. Judging by the printed maps, there is no independent city of Yuzhny. So folks let's investigate together, such as looking for a special city page (not port, but a city or community!). Anyway, who has been to Yuzhny? AlexPU

I've been to Yuzhny. It's a separate city, at least from what I know. Definitely NOT part of Odesa proper.NightOnEarth

City name

The offcial city name is "Южне" [1]. Following the name convention for Ukrainian geographic names WP:NC, it's transliterated as "Yuzhne". MapLover 23:17, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

The name is described as "m. adj." Yuzhny (Южний?) sounds masculine, but isn't Yuzhne neuter? (I don't know Russian, but Yuzhnoe sounds neuter to my ears, too) —Michael Z. 2006-07-19 01:32 Z

Michael is correct, Yuzhnoye is indeed neuter. I made the change.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Is Yuzhny a transliteration of a historical version, or an over-corrected anglicization? —Michael Z. 2006-07-19 19:15 Z

It is the name of the port (the word "порт" is masculine in Russian, and so must be the adjective defining it), but it could easily be an overcorrection as well.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:56, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Yuzhn[e/y]

82.207.116.180 (talk · contribs) insists on using the Russian language Yuzhny as the article's title. However, Yuzhne is the official name, as stated on the Ukrainian parliament website. The location is not that well known for most English language speakers, so I would suggest using the transliteration from Ukrainian. Kiev (Kyiv) and Odessa (Odesa) are exceptions, as both of the names are established in modern English language publications, however Yuzhn[e/y] is not. —dima/talk/ 19:55, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

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Possible name change

• https://lan.od.ua/main/1000-port-juzhnij-ofcjno-stav-pvdennim.html
• https://oda.odessa.gov.ua/ministr-infrastruktury-ukrayiny-razom-z-golovoyu-odeskoyi-oda-vidvidav-dp-morskyj-torgovelnyj-port-yuzhnyj/

It is 15 years since the last discussion, above, and there are claims that the name has been changed, back in 2019, from non-Ukrainian "Южний" to Ukrainian "Південним", i.e. from the Bulgarian (according to Wiktionary anyway) word for southern (wikt:южний the vocative of wikt:южен) to the Ukraininan word for southern (wikt:південним the accusative of wikt:південний, thus "Порт Південним" being "Southern Port"). However, the government of Odessa still seemed to be calling it 'порт «Южний»' as of 2021. Uncle G (talk) 06:43, 1 April 2022 (UTC)