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Donatos

Isn't Donatos also a huge pizza brand? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.123.212.63 (talk) 00:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

US Influence Under Valued

Pizza was invinted in America. Not Italy. It was by an Itallian-American, in an Itallian restaurant, in the U.S. (Somewhere in the East coast. I'm West coast, so it's not like I'd remember exactly where. East coast is practically a seperate country...) So, yes, the uneducated morons working on this page are GREATLY undervaluing the U.S.'s role in this. An earlier incarnation of pizza, much older, was in ancient Greece or Rome. And, another documentary loving friend of mine believes it was Greece. (Even if it was Rome, Rome and Italy might have SOME shared geography, but they're not the same country or culture, and Rome owned far more land and people than present-day Italy. Further, it was not modern-day pizza, it was just very similar. There's all kinds of similar foods out there, and none of which is considered pizza.) What's next, nachoes were invented in Mexico? Learn about a food before you pretend you know about it on wikipedia! I'm not even a foodie and know the people here messed up big time! Stop miseducating people! LOADS of foods considered to be of this or that origin actually originate in the U.S. and are simply in the style/tastes of whatever other culture. They are Italian-American, Chinese-American, Mexican-American, etc, which is not the same as coming from their inventors' ancestral home. Pizza is Itallian-American, not Italian. Italy serves pizza today, because EVERYONE that's not a backwards 3rd world country has pizza today. (And, the pizzaria spread started very shortly after the food's invention. As far as Im aware, the inventor is still alive.) Now, either you random people are wrong, or the professionals behind numerous documentaries are, and somehow I think the random people would be the ones in the wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.171.192 (talk) 03:06, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

- Spectacular ignorance from start to finish there, do not post again. -

If it wasn't for the spread of pizzarias in the Italian-American community in the EARLY part of the 20th century and the rise in popularity of pizza outside that community after WWII, pizza would still be a virtually unknown, regionaly Italian specialty. Thus, the fact that pizza is so popular outside Naples is not because of Naples or Italians in Italy but because of Americans. If you live outside Italy and eat pizza, it's not because of the Italians, it's because of Americans. No pizza is not an American dish, it clearly originated in Italy and Naples specifically and credit should be given where it's due. However, the roll of the American pizza culture and industry in the spread of pizza globally is completely ignored in this article. At least there's not some Brit on here claiming that they invented it as they do with most other things! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.39.232.190 (talk) 15:18, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

• Are you suggesting that pizza has spread across Europe from America rather than from Italy? If so, just find the references that back this assertion up and change the article accordingly. You seem to agree that Italians brought the pizza to America but not that they took it anywhere else. Do remember that Italians have migrated all over the globe - we have large Italian communities in the UK and most of the pizzas I've had in Europe (in France, Belgium, Holland, Switzerland and, of course, Italy) have been eaten in Italian restaurants run by Italian people. Of course the American chains like Pizza Hut are here in the UK too along with chains that originated in the UK like Pizza Express. The first records of pizza in London date from the 1930's but not in American communities, they are in Italian run restaurants in the Holborn area where there was a very large Italian immigrant community [1]. Pizza Express, one of the largest chains in the UK was started by a Brit with an Italian Oven and an Italian chef and was inspired by a trip around Europe, not America: [2] Do you also feel that pizza spread across Italy from America or from Naples? If it spread from Naples, then it's only a short hop to France, Spain, Switzerland etc and all these countries have had large Italian communities for hundreds of years selling Italian food. So it seems more likely to me that pizza spread to these places in exactly the way it spread to America - as an Italian dish brought in by Italian immigrants. However, I would be very interested to see if that is actually the case or whether in fact the Italians only took it to America and America took it everywhere else. Do let us know what you discover on this. Shoebill2 (talk) 11:31, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's right, the US influence is undervalued, that's why there are separate pages for each and every US variant of pizza, whereas the Italian variants barely deserve a sentence. It's almost as if the US invented pizza (oh, by the way, NEWSFLASH: IT DIDN'T) Once again the incredible pro-US bias that one sees everywhere on Wikipedia is in effect. FOARP (talk) 12:35, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

-- NEWSFLASH: They did!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.169.8 (talk) 03:10, 4 September 2009 (UTC) 

The americans did invent the pizza. You's are arguing over who did what. It's like saying the Germans should get credit for the hot dog because someone used the same process for making sausage. Italians made the bread covered in sause. An american took that idea and added cheese and meat. A pizza is classified by the 3 key toppings. Bread, cheese, sause. Sorry Italy, but you get as much credit for the pizza as you do for pasta. 207.61.149.175 (talk) 14:34, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

This is nonsense. Various toppings were used on Italian flat breads and the basic Margherita of tomato, mozzerela and basil was invented in Savoy in the 1840s to honour the Italian Queen. I rather suspect (though evidence will need to be found) that the Deep Pan pizza is an American invention though.

As a european(Swede) who has visited the U.S. on 6 occasions, as well as Italy on 3, I must say that pizza in northern europe has MUCH more in common with italian pizzan than with american. Pizza here is made a lot thinner, with less(volume, not variety) toppings and more herbs than american pizzas. Yet with much more experimentation(adding whatever tastes nice on top) than in Italy. Might it not suffice to agree that pizza was invented in Italy, and then spread with immigrants from said country? Which, by the way, is what I think is the conclusion of the present article...--Djingis Khan (talk) 22:20, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Pizza

Is the borromea pizza named after this man? Since, Matthäus/Matthæus, It. Matteo > Borromäus/Borromæus, It. borromeo > pizza f > borromeo > borromea f. I'd also like to know if it's not named after this particular man, what is it named after. Mallerd (talk) 17:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

This article is too US-centric

Really guys, an article about an italian dish that spends one full third of it's length explaining the intricate details of, and differences between, US varieties of the product? Really, make a "Pizza in the US" article and fill it up any way you want, but that stuff does really not belong here! If I get no feedback within 30 days I will move the stuff myself. Frank F H (talk) 16:00, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Calson

I've removed this, because I think it has multiple issues:

• In Scotland Calsons are sold. Derived from the Old Scots language for trouser or hose IPA [kɑːlsən] a calson is a sandwich sized turnover made from pizza dough and stuffed with ingredients such as haggis, lamb, cheddar cheese, potatoes, onions and corned beef, specifically to suit Scottish taste preferences. Tomatoes are not used. It is eaten during soccer games as a hand warming snack. Pizza eating in Scotland derives from the large Scots-Italian immigrant population, now largely assimilated, that settled in Scotland during the 19th century. (Calsowmis, Calsons: old Scots for hose or trousers [3]. They are a tasty snack produced by Uinfoods. [4]

1) It reads like an advert for Uinfoods.

2) There's already an entry for calzone. Calson appears to be "the same thing, only Scottish".

3) Is there a cite for pizza in Scotland dating from 19th century? Is there a cite for calsons being a popular Scots dish, or made by anyone apart from Uinfoods? Daibhid C (talk) 22:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Links at bottom ("See also")

May I suggest that instead of (or in addition to) linking to the article List of pizzerias the links at the bottom for see also include all pizza-related categories, including Category:Pizzerias? ~~ Lawyerbot

When you want to include a link to a category rather than put the page itself into the category, you need to prefix the word "Category:" with a colon [[:Category:Pizzerias]] rather than [[Category:Pizzerias]]. I've changed your comment above so that it doesn't put the Pizza talk page into the Pizzeria category. I've also modified the Pizza page so that it creates a link to the Pizzerias category rather than puts the Pizza page into the Pizzerias category. — VulcanOfWalden (talk) 18:20, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

What about normal pizza?

I'm from central Kansas, The United States. The pizza we make here is not described whatsoever in this article. Pepperoni is the most popular topping. It's not to thin, it's not too thick. The cheese is mozzarella. There is nothing special about any of it. Just an average pizza. I don't know about any other Kansans, but Pizza Hut was founded here and that's what normal pizza is like. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.102.178.23 (talk) 23:06, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

You mean, rather than the way it is made in Italy, where Pizza was invented? The fact that Pizza Hut makes it that way does not mean that 'ordinary' pizza is that way! FOARP (talk) 12:37, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Pizza Hut, Dominoes, and all the other fast food pizza chains are a far cry from normal pizza or even traditional Italian pizza. No offense, but pizza originated internationally and you live in the middle of nowhere USA. Just because that's the basic form of pizza in your neighborhood means nothing and hardly makes it the norm for the entire world.

However, a mention of the standard form fast food pizza has taken in recent years may be worth a mention in the article.24.190.34.219 (talk) 21:22, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Best new york area pizzas

The links section should link to some of the established top reviews for NYC and New Haven pizzas.

This is the best one I've found, since I've been to most of the places on the list and tend to agree: http://www.chow.com/lists/edit/1315 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bioxpert (talk • contribs) 12:06, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Brazilian Pizza is the best outside Italy?

This needs a cite if it's going to stay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.9.12.65 (talk) 13:43, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I second that too.

But: a cite? Any idiot can create his fake news site, clone it a dozen times, and then cite that circle-jerk. I know that this fact is completely and intentionally ignored by the Wikinazis. But that does not change the fact, that citations are just a lie you tell yourself, and do not make it any more true. — 94.220.254.237 (talk) 13:26, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

No, it doesn't need a citation. It's pointless, unprovable, subjective speculation. Someone says it is, with reliable reference? Irrelevant. There are a million people who would disagree. Wikipedia is not a forum for ultimately unresolvable aesthetic debate. Piano non troppo (talk) 04:27, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Expaned articles

It would be nice to see separate articles on the different pizza styles - i.e. St. Louis style, etc., if anyone has appropriate references to start such a thing. The Gondola Pizza article, for example, would be a good one to link to a St. Louis style pizza article. Much room for expansion.139.48.25.60 (talk) 21:06, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Chicken Finger Pizza

In Buffalo we have created Chicken Finger Pizza. It consists of a normal dough, blue cheese in place of sauce, mozzarella and sauced (buffalo Style) chicken fingers chopped on the top. This should be added too. Check any menu from a pizza place in Buffalo and its a standard issue.

Sounds bloody awful. Chunner (talk) 13:11, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Cripes, that's disgusting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.103.231.6 (talk) 21:08, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

It actually isn't as horrible as you might think. It's spicy. :P  – Tommy [message] 21:10, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Old Forge-style

{{editsemiprotected}} As I guess I'm not immediately allowed to change this page, I'll simply make this suggestion to whomever can. Please add "Old Forge style" to the American versions. Here are a few links to confirm the existence and definition of this unique and regionally renowned pizza-making technique: http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,1082.0.html http://www.cnn.com/2008/TRAVEL/03/24/pizza.capital/index.html http://iwantmorefood.com/2008/05/16/trip-to-old-forge-the-pizza-capital-of-the-world/ http://www.well.com/~captward/ http://www.arcaroandgenell.com/about.htm 71.173.2.190 (talk) 05:54, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Where? fahadsadah (talk,contribs) 15:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, what do you guess? Add the freaking section about that pizza type, you filthy fucking Wikinazi retard! — 94.220.254.237 (talk) 13:28, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Pizza a taglio cut with scissors?

This sounds really strange to me. Apart from never having seen it happens it would be really difficult to do, as this kind pizza in inside a rectangular pan that has been in the oven and so quite hot, as the pizza itself, usually if not cut with a somewhat large knife it is cut with spatulas or circular roller. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.160.45.230 (talk) 11:40, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I second that. Although this type of scissor would be able to do it, I want to see it, before I believe it. — 94.220.254.237 (talk) 13:22, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Too many uncited facts

A large part of this article is uncited facts that sound little more than people talking about their favorite pizza and presenting them as if they are actually representative of a significant population. The article needs to be cleaned up.24.190.34.219 (talk) 21:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

How detailed to make ingredients

Often the ingredients are embedded within the cheese or are hard to identify. What do you recommend in those situations?

Interesting question, but I'd say omit them. There are quite a few named ingredients in food that are made from other, well-recognized ingredients. Cheese, however, is unique, because it's a combination of effects from enzymes and molds. Piano non troppo (talk) 14:11, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Protected?

Why is this page protected? Due to frequent vandalism or what? --88.203.248.190 (talk) 20:18, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, within a few days of the last time it was unprotected, it was hit pretty hard. This has happened more-or-less every time it has been unprotected. If you wish, you can make any suggested changes to this talk page, and use the {{editprotected}} tag to attract the attention of an admin, who can add your changes for you. We apologize for the inconvenience that this may cause, but the vandalism has been unmanagable whenever this has been unprotected. --Jayron32 03:46, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

"Bubble pizza"?

I've been seeing the term "bubble pizza" on the Internet. http://www.google.com/search?q=%22bubble+pizza%22 . I don't really know what this means. Anybody care to add a mention of this term to the article? Bubble pizza is when pizza has toppings that are 'bubbly'. I think. -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 16:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Pizza in Japan

I feel like this should be added as there are entries for various other countries. Japanese pizza often contains local seafood, including squid ink sacks, but one of the most popular pizzas in Japan is topped with Corn and Mayonnaise. As a cite you can check out some of the Japanese pizza websites, like 1willy.co.jp or pizza-la.co.jp. PopeJewish, 10/19/09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by PopeJewish (talk • contribs) 06:02, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Meat Feast Pizza

Ther are many types of Meat Feast Pizzas which are all brought together by their wide variety of meaty toppings. Some also have onions, peppers and other vegetables but that does not change the fact that they are Meat Feast Pizzas.

What the article should do is point out that people now identify greasy circular thin baked wheat crust including tomato and cheese topping as being "pizza". There's nothing especially profound about adding seafood, tofu, cellulose, or anything else, for that matter. Readers would benefit from having about 1/2 of the article material removed. Piano non troppo (talk) 04:34, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Types of Pizza

Lets write down types of pizza for the people who need them!!!

Hawaiian Pizza Author Pizza Italian Pizza —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.5.97.171 (talk) 09:37, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Correct Link to Associazione Verace Pizza Napoletana

{editsemiprotected}

Can you correct the link in section Types of Pizza for "Associazione Verace Pizza Napoletana" to point to:

http://www.pizzanapoletana.org/

As this is the official site for VPN.

Feel free to keep the original link in (once corrected to simply: http://www.verapizzanapoletana.org, as current one doesn't work), but be sure to clarify that this is the "America's" site for this organisation and not the original.

Pjhirst (talk) 08:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Pizza is a very nice meal to have with lots of different toppings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.28.12 (talk) 08:52, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Tarte flambée

Tarte flambée is a dish only made in Alsace, a region in the northeastern part of france. It really should be added to the 'pizza-like' section in the sidebar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NCLI (talk • contribs) 14:01, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Pizza Diameter

I ordered an 18 inch pizza, got billed for 18 inches. While waiting I converted 18 inches to 45 cm, what i received however was a 38 cm box with a pizza. I called the owners and they said that the pizza size is from when they put it in the oven, afterward it shrinks (7 cm??) Can someone confirm that is the way pizzas get measured? —Preceding unsigned comment added by IfTrueElseFalse (talk • contribs) 15:30, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

• I recall reading an article about 25 years ago that said that pizza diameters are, basically, lies. The economic incentive for pizzerias to short customers is high: a 18" pizza is 144% the size of a 15". Abductive (reasoning) 19:21, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

This might be an interesting point to make in the article, given a reliable reference. (We don't need an edit war between pizza places defending their credibility against those who are less-than-honest.) The argument that the pizza *used to be* 18 inches before being cooked seems legally actionable (if anyone was inclined to sue over a pizza, that is). Another sizing example, which I don't think is relevant here (?) is the United States lumber manufacturer's labeling boards as "2 by 4" that are actually significantly smaller than 2 inches by 4 inches. I've heard three explanations for this, btw: 1) The same justification as the pizza parlor mentioned by IfTrueElseFalse: That the lumbar *used to be* 2 inches by 4 inches before drying, 2) That improved lumber processing meant that what used to require the full size now requires less, 3) That it's a scam by the lumber industries. Piano non troppo (talk) 20:03, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

View Source?

Hey, I'm new, but I wanted to edit this... But all I can see is "view source"... Why is that? Thanks in advance for the help, senior wikipedians... I appreciate it... I hope to become a good member of this community in the near future :) 65.78.144.163 (talk) 16:53, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

• This article experiences enough vandalism that is has been "semi-protected" so that only user accounts that are a few days old can edit it. Since you do not yet have an account, you can only view the source code. If you have a particular change you wish to make, explain it here and it will be discussed. Abductive (reasoning) 19:11, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Calzone Mistake

Hi, I noticed a mistake about ingredients of calzone. The classic calzone is filled with cooked ham (prosciutto cotto), tomato and mozzarella. There are many variants but I think the ricotta-salami-mozzarella one is very rare (never heard of it). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.37.41.171 (talk) 15:04, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Acolitti, 19 May 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

replace 'Associazione Verace Pizza Napoletana' with 'Associazione Vera Pizza Napoletana'

Acolitti (talk) 19:36, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Y Done OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 19:58, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request: factual error

While wood-fired ovens may well be found only in more expensive restaurants in America, in Italy they are often to be seen even in mid-to-low-priced restaurants and pizzerias.

source?  – Tommy [message] 05:50, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request: grammar corrections

The expression "disc-shaped" needs its hyphen, which is lacking in the article.  Done

A comma is required between "herbs" and "depending". -changed wording.

"herbs, and cheese" has an extraneous comma. It's not wrong exactly, but it is certainly superfluous.  Done

The term "bottom base" is pleonastic. Where else would one find the base but on the bottom?  Done

"called a peel and baked" requires a comma after "peel".  Done

"typically made of aluminum" would be better than "typically aluminum". -already done.

"In the 20th century pizza" requires a comma after "century".  Done

I could go on like this for hours, but I won't.

per  – Tommy [message] 05:54, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Request for permission to throw hands up in the air

At this point, I lose interest. It's bad enough that yet another European subject has been hijacked by the United States and claimed as its own, but locking a page with numerous errors left uncorrected is simply beyond the pale. The article requires professional proofreading as soon as possible.

Specify what needs to be changed please. The article does need work, but references are required if we want to make it a good article. Thank you  – Tommy [message] 05:55, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Pizza with "d" pronounciation

I removed it because it looks like it may appear to be pronounced this way simply for linguistic reasons:

• I think normally pizza is pronounced with a /t/ sound, but because it is followed by a /z/ (a voiced phoneme) it becomes a bit like an alliteration so that the /t/ may sound like a /d/, which actually is the same sound phonetically, minus the fact that /d/ is voiced, where /t/ is not.
• However, if there is a source that states otherwise, i'll put it back in. Thanks,  – Tommy [message] 05:21, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Bradxwx, 2 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} The last sentence about pizza in Brazil is not correct. "Such event helps lever up even more the pizza market in São Paulo and the rest of Brazil."

I would suggest "Such events help even more to lever up the pizza market in São Paulo and the rest of Brazil."

Bradxwx (talk) 08:05, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

 Done BejinhanTalk 10:22, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Pizza pie?

Pizza pie? Who calls pizza that? 121.45.46.156 09:34, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

"When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, That's Amore." — VulcanOfWalden 11:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

So one person called it pizza pie then :-) Wouldn't say it's in standard usage Stjarna 14:17, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

It's the standard term for a unit of pizza, besides the word "pizza" itself. Restaurants use it frequently; it helps distinguish a slice from a whole pizza. besides, that's what a pizza is: a pie made with sauce and cheese.

24.13.55.149 21:59, 30 July 2007 (UTC) It's not a pie, a pie is a closed pastry.

It really isn't a pie. Clearly, no-one in italy refers to it as a pie, either. I assume that it came into existence as US "standard" culture tried to relate to the exoticism of a flat bread with toppings. The first mention of the term by the OED is in the N.Y. Herald Tribune 21 Apr. 1939. Lawdroid (talk) 13:48, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

'pie' is the common term used by pizza makers, at least in the chains I've worked in. A "Crew pie" for example, is a pizza cooked for the crew to eat (or cooked by mistake, and designated as eatable by the manager)

• "Pizza pie" is never used in British English - in the UK a pie is an entirely different kind of dish. Shoebill2 22:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC).

• I agree, pizza pie isn't used in British English. Here the whole thing is a pizza and a slice is... a slice. Liam Markham 14:18, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

"Pizza Pie" denotes the full desciption of the unit of culinary consumption —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.171.40.100 (talk) 01:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Interesting. In the States pizza is routinely referred to as a "pie"--particularly among pizza makers but also among a number of "civilians" (e.g. "nice pie!" after you open the pizza delivery box and are pleased with what you see). When I made pizzas for a few years in high school at a restaurant we always referred to a "large pie" or "four pies in the top oven," etc. Unfortunately at the place I worked at we were rarely entitled to "crew pies." Damn you (name of restaurant redacted)! In the U.S. we also have regular ole' pies and somehow usually avoid confusion--but only because of years of practice.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 05:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

• The Pie, a pizzeria in Salt Lake City where referring to the entire pizza as a "pie" is central to their marketing. The Pie is well-known in the Salt Lake valley, particularly among University of Utah students, for its very large pizzas which are so heavily laden with cheese and toppings that it is impractical to eat it with your hands. Mmm... RobertJWalker | Talk 22:06, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Pizza pie is archaic or old-fashioned, but it is still used.Cameron Nedland 18:04, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm from NY and the only time i've ever heard it is when i'm at a pizza place and the workers use that term. "Normal" people don't use it. The term may have been popular at some point but not anymore.President Elect (talk) 12:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

It's not archaic. I'm from NY and still use it regularly. "I'll have a large pie with a pitcher of Pepsi..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.127.37 (talk) 02:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Pizza pie? Who calls pizza that? My Dad and me, for two. We're from NY (in OH now however), and my relatives there say it all the time. It's just different families, regions, cultures, etc. We're Italian, too, so maybe that has something to do with it. I've heard it all my life, though. (ApostleJoe (talk) 20:17, 3 January 2008 (UTC))

Pizza is very healthy for you....see nutrition facts —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kctimes (talk • contribs) 15:40, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

It must be regional. In Israel people call the slices pizzas and the whole round pizza 'Pie.' Back in America my family almost never said, Pizza Pie, but some people did. Basejumper2 (talk) 22:59, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

On The Flintstones they called it pizza pie all the time. 142.166.205.243 (talk) 14:16, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

"The Flintstones" was created in the 60s, so that really doesn't prove the term is not archaic. 18.96.7.180 (talk) 21:39, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

It's not a pie, a pie is a closed pastry. That may be so, but cookery is not an academic science with rigidly defined terms. There are many exceptions: shepherd's pie, cottage pie, banoffee pie, blueberry pie, cumberland pie, custard pie ... SpinningSpark 08:06, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

The argument seems to be that people are objecting to calling it to a "pizza pie" however all the people justifying its use call it a "pie." So maybe we should change the article to better reflect that.--68.32.17.238 (talk) 22:42, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Change neapolitan cuisine link

Change link for neapolitan cuisine in the first section from directing to naples to the page devoted to neapolitan cuisine found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neapolitan_cuisine —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.167.94.177 (talk) 05:18, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Origins

I'm not sure we can entirely say that pizza is an italian food. the Greeks have been making flat bread with cheese for a very long time, and since Italians draw heavily from greek culture, It should be mentioned at least somewhere that its origins are Mediterranean, not necessarily italian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.12.29.236 (talk) 04:15, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree completely. The Italians basically stole it and fancied it up for visiting royalty. Here is one article that tells closer to its real history.

http://aboutpizza.com/page.asp?PageID=44 —Preceding unsigned comment added by James2009A (talk • contribs) 15:01, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I must concur. The Greeks made flatbreads with cheese, before the Romans - and Italy had yet to exist as a culture, country, or nationality. They seem to be credited with "inventing" many culinary items thousands of years after they were actually developed (like pasta - thousands of years after the Chinese made a dough of flour and water and boiled it into "noodles". Oh yeah, speaking of pasta - Italy invented something that already existed in Greece - and moved the accent on the name pastά -> pάsta! ROFLCOPTERS Enough of this Helenophobia, let's give credit where it duly belongs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.255.239.178 (talk) 04:04, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Greeks invented nothing, if you consider that they draw heavily from African (eg. Egyptian) culture and Asian (eg. Phoenician) culture. Take a look at the ancient recipes and folks of the Mediterranean area. Before the Greeks in Italy you could find the Etruscans (and they knew the pizza), the Celts, the Italics (who fought the Romans) and even the Sardinians/Shrdns from Sardinia, who colonised Crete, Corinth, Mycenae and other Greek islands in 1400 BCE. Now, In Sardinia French and Italian archeologists have recently discovered a kind of bread baked over 3,000 years ago. According to Professor Philippe Marinval, the local islanders knew the technique for leavening bread. The final product, the "carasau" or "frattau" of the Bronze Age was like a sort of pizza because the natives ate that particular flat bread with salt, olive oil, eggs, pecorino or ricotta cheese. About the Romans, they knew the pizza as "Laganum", "Tractum", "Placenta", "Libum", "Moretum", and "Picea". The modern term pizza comes from the Latin term "pinsa" (meaning something like crushed, squashed) and originated in Latium (Italy). http://www.sardegnaturismo.it/documenti/1_39_20060829130058.pdf http://www.etimo.it/?cmd=id&id=13150&md=1d58ef9e61a2d94b51650c761ded9b8b http://www.laculturadelcibo.it/caffe/etimologia.php?IDc=5 http://www.academiabarilla.com/italian-culinary-tradition/bread-pasta-starchy-foods/pane-carasau.aspx --Karanko (talk) 01:14, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

"Pizza" is Italian. Other cuisines have other dishes with different names. Pizza though is Italian, specifically Neapolitan. It has a protected legal status in the same way as Champagne etc. I think that the opening paragraph should reflect the fact that pizza is first and foremost Italian, even though this article goes immediately into Italian-American colloquiallisms. Slight edit perhaps? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.2.3.129 (talk) 01:46, 1 February 2011 (UTC) Davster101 Rocks the world! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.47.20.24 (talk) 15:55, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Is pizza round?

Is it not misleading to say that pizza is disc-shaped? It often isn't - al taglio &c. - it's still pizza —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.30.20.47 (talk) 22:15, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Tassle36, 8 April 2011

This article has insufficent information about pizza. The goal of editing this is to give people more knowledge

Tassle36 (talk) 17:43, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Without specific info you want included we can't really help you. Jarkeld (talk) 17:45, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request

In the article under the section of "health issues" esphagus is spelled oesphagus. While the later can still be used, not too many people have ever seen it spelled this way. I recommend spelling it the way every anatomy book since 1800 has spelled it - "esophagus".

Oesophagus is the British spelling (but it's possible that it should be changed, depending on which variety of English is being used in the article). Peter E. James (talk) 19:47, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Not done: No adequate justification to change anything IMO. If another editor feels differently, they are welcome to alter the spelling. WP:ENGVAR describes the Wikipedia policy on regional spelling differences. Kinaro^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:30, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Frozen and ready-to-bake pizzas

The article implies that these are only available in the US, while in fact they are standard supermarket products worldwide with a wide range of price and quality. --Ef80 (talk) 10:08, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Mexican Tlayuda

Would any editor mind to include the Mexican Tlayuda from Oaxaca among the similar dishes? It's very similar to a pizza but for the dough, which is a huge tortilla. Tlayuda, sometimes erroneously spelled Clayuda (Spanish pronunciation: [tlaˈʝuða]), is a handmade dish part of the traditional Mexican cuisine, consisting of a large and thin crunchy partially fried or toasted tortilla[1] covered with a spread of refried beans, asiento (unrefined pork lard), lettuce or cabbage, avocado, meat (usually shredded chicken, beef tenderloin or pork), Oaxaca cheese, and salsa.[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.141.220.67 (talk) 14:13, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Japanese Pizza

American Pizza chains entered Japan in the 1970s (e.g. Shakey’s Pizza and Pizza Hut 1973, Domino’s pizza in 1985). The most popular Japanese pizza chain is Pizza La (http://www.pizza-la.co.jp/). The most popular pizza chain promoting Italian style artisanal pizza is Salvatore Cuomo (www.salvatore.jp). The Italian association Associazione Verace Pizza Napoletana has an independent branch in Japan (http://www.verapizzanapoletana.jp/) Local types of pizza have been made, for instance mochi pizza (crust made with Japanese mochi cakes).

In 2010, a Japanese chef won an international Neapolitan pizza contest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.14.229.161 (talk) 02:42, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Biblio/Reference: Ceccarini R. (2010) Food Workers as Individual Agents of Culinary Globalization: Pizza and Pizza Chefs in Japan. Sophia University, Tokyo. http://icc.fla.sophia.ac.jp/global%20food%20papers/pdf/3_3_CECCARINI.pdf

Ceccarini R. (2011) Pizza and Pizza Chefs in Japan: A Case of Culinary Globalization. Brill Publishers, Netherlands. http://www.brill.nl/pizza-and-pizza-chefs-japan-case-culinary-globalization

95.251.86.245 (talk) 10:58, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Added in a new section for 'Japan'. I removed the inline links to companies in accord with WP:EL.  Chzz  ►  08:33, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Please remove the links, they've been re-added. 68.54.4.162 (talk) 01:39, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Last one removed, wasn't linked just the URL without the http --Jnorton7558 (talk) 01:49, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Gluten & Wheat Free Section

I think an addional section should be created about Gluten free and wheat free pizza. Or it could be added in the types of pizza. Thoughts?Meatsgains (talk) 19:27, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Saskatchewan Pizza

can any one put in a point about pizza commonly found in Saskatchewan, Canada? It typically is a moderate-thick crust pizza whereby plain tomato sauce and sliced meats stacked high underneath a thick layer of cheese is commonplace. One would think they are eating an open faced sandwich in the form of a 'pizza'. Im thinking possibly a strictly Ukrainian/Polish take on pizza?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.11.119.31 (talk) 07:55, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Low speed mixer

That is actually incorrect. A lot of research has been done in this area, and it there is no distinction between mixing speed and the final dough. There is not a lot of material to back this up, as most of the research is proprietary, but Tom Monaghan mentions it in his book, Pizza Tiger.Pizzamancer (talk) 07:10, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 January 2012

169.244.241.178 (talk) 19:01, 5 January 2012 (UTC) i need to add more

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Favonian (talk) 19:08, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Malaysia

"Many of western Pizza restaurants have been localized, such as invention of Tom Yom Pizza, Hot and Spicy and so on."

I have no idea what this is trying to say. I'd fix it, but I don't know what to fix it to. Please remember this is the English Wikipedia here. 216.113.168.128 (talk) 19:51, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Picture

I know it's only a matter of opinion, but the picture selected to represent pizza at the top of the infobox is (to me) the single-most disgusting picture of a pizza I have ever beheld. More importantly, while (given the large variety of pizza styles out there) there may be no one picture that is representative of "pizza", this one appears most unrepresentative. When a pizza has toppings, those toppings are generally evenly distributed around the surface; this one has a plant draped across it in one small area and what looks like a ball of butter in the middle. I venture to say that few would find this to be representative of "pizza". 98.82.190.226 (talk) 13:56, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry, but it doesn't matter if you think that pizza looks disgusting. It's pizza margherita, the most authentic Italian recipe for pizza, and that's basil and (real) mozzarella. Not that it matters, but I happen to think it looks delicious. AlexanderKaras (talk) 13:55, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I think it is quite obvious that the original poster has a problem with that specific pizza not the variety. It doesn't matter if the variety is the most common, the individual pizza, if met with disgust from most members, should go and be replaced with a nicer pizza of the same variety. I personally do not find it that disgusting, though it is a bit burnt round the crust. I find the homemade one on a pizza pan to be more so...but it probably tastes good. 86.165.139.232 (talk) 13:02, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I doubt this is the pizza most people have in mind when they come to this page on English Wikipedia. 174.119.254.63 (talk) 04:12, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Pizza is not an English dish either. I'm italian and that is TRUE pizza. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.30.193.8 (talk) 16:03, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

That "food" in the picture is truly gross looking. I wouldn't eat it for $100 dollars. Need a new picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.82.180.108 (talk) 15:57, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

The complaints seem to be coming from IPs who are only familiar with the pizza styles sold by chain restaurants such as Pizza Express and Pizza Hut. I think the picture is fine, but it might improve the article to additionally include a pic of a typical commercial pizza as sold by supermarkets in the UK, US and other countries. --Ef80 (talk) 10:02, 27 July 2011 (UTC) It is truly terrifying that Americans have never enjoyed the delights of a simple fresh Italian pizza and would call an authentic one 'disgusting' while American pizza is generally ruined by copious amounts of toppings, grease, processed meats/cheeses and unnecessary spices. A pizza like the one in the picture is something I've been craving for the past 15 years and no American pizza I've tried has yet to come close. Wikipedia is here to educate and not perpetuate the idea that substandard mutations are considered to be 'good eating'. Luckily there are some authentic pizzerias on the East Coast that have pleased even Italian tourists. ~~Bromide — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.142.234.137 (talk) 07:51, 27 September 2011 (UTC) Are you people seriously sitting on your computer discussing pizza?wow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Historyfreak98 (talk • contribs) 03:47, 1 October 2011 (UTC) Bromide, take a break from trashing those awful Americans and get back to destroying the eurozone and EU, ok? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.230.88.45 (talk) 14:27, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

In my opinion the pizza at the top of the page looks delicious and I would take great pleasure in eating it, clearly the people with a problem with it are narrow minded buffoons who have never dared to venture outside of their own state and whose idea of pizza is a $1 slab of frozen dough and cheese from Walmart. But I digress, the reason I am posting is regarding the picture captioned "A homemade version of a pizza cooked on a pizza pan." Now THAT looks absolutely disgusting, never in my life have I seen such a culinary abomination, the person who cooked that needs to be locked away for a long time as they pose a genuine threat to people's health if that is what they produce. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.74.50 (talk) 15:39, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Health issues

Are there any actual negative effects observed in individuals? Such cases should be mentioned. Everyone eats pizza just because it tastes very good. No one is concerned about negative health effects unless conclusive proof is provided. The younger generation tends to believe that this current life is all that we have, so we must enjoy to the fullest extent before we die. So even if negative health effects are known of, many don't just care. In fact young people blindly believe, without any thoughtfulness, that this life is all we have ("You live only once") . -59.95.28.218 (talk) 15:36, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

St Louis, MO pizza

St. Louis MO, USA has it's own type of pizza. It has a cracker thin crust and uses PROVEL cheese rather than mozzarella. PROVEL cheese is made from provolone, Swiss and cheddar cheeses. This type of pizza is found only in the St. Louis,MO area typically though the area extends southwest as far as Springfield, MO. (It might be found across the Mississippi in Illinois near St Louis but I cannot confirm this.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iq160plus (talk • contribs) 23:18, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, "Grandmother's pizza" from Long Island has been included, shouldn't all of the regional pizzas be included? I have had Pittsburgh pizza, and Seattle-style pizza, and San francisco pizza and Miami Florida pizza and dozens of others. Or maybe a page listing all the pizzerias in the world with their special recipes. Please include them all, including that place down the street from where I grew up, which makes the best pizza in the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.190.244.215 (talk) 21:34, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

High Protein Flour

(type 0 or 00) is specified and then the article goes on to say that high protein of the type used in bread baking should be used. 0 is cake flour and 00 is all purpose - type 1 is bread flour according to the page linked to for 0 and 00. This seems like an inconsistency between the two pages. I have heard reference to 0 and 00 flour for making pizza.. perhaps this is an italian flour measurement that the linked flour page is not aware of? I would hate for anyone to get the wrong idea and try to use american cake flour to make a pizza.. in my experience this would likely yield a very sad product. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.181.12.117 (talk) 19:33, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Reference

Here is the correct link of the first note to "American pie" in American Heritage magazine: http://www.americanheritage.com/content/american-pie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unuomo (talk • contribs) 02:32, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 May 2012

please replace the 1st and 4th references with: <ref name=Miller>{{cite web|last=Miller|first=Hanna|title=American Pie|url=http://www.americanheritage.com/content/american-pie|publisher=American Heritage Magazine|accessdate=4 May 2012|date=April/May 2006}}</ref> (new URL, as stated above) 66.87.2.99 (talk) 02:10, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Also please remove dead-link & citation-needed tags from 1st ref. Thank you. 66.87.2.99 (talk) 02:10, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

• Partly done: for the first, I saw no need to change Ref#4. Salvidrim! 16:44, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Mozarella in fillets?

"mozzarella from Campania in fillets"

Mozzarella in fillets? What does that mean? GeneCallahan (talk) 12:55, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

flour type contradiction

The flour type indicated "type 0 or 00" is in contradiction with the following sentence: "...with high protein content" Type 0 or 00 wheat flour is on the lowest end of the range of protein contents of various wheat flour types. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.238.94.17 (talk) 05:27, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Pizza Ovens

Hi there,

First I want to acknowledge that I work for a company that does manufacture a pizza oven. Kalamazoo Outdoor Gourmet.

But what I wanted to ask is why there is nothing about residential pizza ovens in the article. It touches on commercial ovens, as well as using stones in your home oven to make pizzas. Recently there has been an explosion in the market and I think we should include residential pizza ovens.

There are a few styles, full custom pieces made of brick and mortar, semi custom pieces that come with the baking deck and the fire box, but no finished outside, complete drop in units that need nothing other than a place to sit. The drop in units (or counter top units) can use wood or natural gas an propane. Flynnster14 (talk) 21:05, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

The reason such information is not in the article is because nobody has added it yet. Go ahead and add it, but please use an encyclopedic tone, and add citations using reliable sources. Mindmatrix 01:30, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

I would like to add the info, but it is a semi-protected article. I can post the info here with my citation if that is the best option Flynnster14 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:33, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Capitalization in series template

The P in "[P]art of a series on Pizza" should be capitalized. It's the very first word on the template, making this a matter of aesthetic decorum. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 07:04, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request

[...] invention in Naples -> invention in Naples, Italy

Thanks 219.73.120.77 (talk) 15:01, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Done Completely understandable. FloBo A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 17:26, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Dessert Pizzas

When I was in Rio, pizzas loaded with ice cream, chocolate sauce, and fruits like bananas and strawberries were available in many restaurants. Here is an article that mentions some varieties. However, many other countries offer various forms of dessert pizzas as well -- and in Rome I've had calzones with nutella and ricotta cheese, and pizza with nutella in Naples. In fact, in many U.S. restaurants there are a few varieties of dessert pizza not too hard to find, including some like apple and cinnamon. Maybe someone should add a section on "sweet pizza" or "dessert pizza"? NearTheZoo (talk) 04:49, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 January 2013

The caption "Pizza made using Chocolate, served as a desert at a restaurant in Brazil", under the image of the chocolate pizza, needs to be changed to read as follows:

"Pizza made using chocolate, served as a dessert in a restaurant in Brazil"

Devon0911 (talk) 09:05, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Done, thanks. Nice catch! Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 11:43, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 January 2013

There exists New Haven-style pizza which should be mentioned alongside New York and Chicago pizza in the section for the USA. It's notable enough for a free standing article, then it's notable enough to be included in the summary here for US pizza.12.144.158.20 (talk) 18:29, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Swedish Pizza

It says in this article that Swedish Pizza is similar to Neapoilitan pizza.

Neapolitan pizza has crispy, blistered dough without oil or sugar, is made in a wood-fired oven, uses a simple tomato sauce and mozarella cheese.

Swedish pizza has paper thin dough loaded with oil and suger, is made in an electric over, uses an over-spiced tomato sauce and factory cheese.

It is as far removed from Neapolitan as you can get.

Also, it says that "Pizza salad" is free. It should say complimentary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.241.244 (talk) 08:44, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request

I am STUNNED by the Eurocentric nature of this article. 1. Pizza was NOT invented by the Italians. This is ridiculous. 2. Tomatoes were not brought to Europe til the 1500's and then they were first only available in Spain. The Italians stole them from the Spanish who stole them from the native cultures of South America. 3. What we call "Pizza" was a common food in the Americas when the Spanish first came to the shores. It was a Tortilla with Salsa and Cheese. ONLY the American natives had ALL of the ingredients to make a traditional "Pizza" prior to the mid 1500's!

I am new to wikipedia so i am not sure how to present this information. Please be gentle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spacr (talk • contribs) 20:48, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Interesting. Rules here require a citation, a source of information other than yourself. Otherwise, it is original research. You're describing what is today called a quesadilla, or a variety of tostada. If you have a reliable source that explicitly asserts the chain of logic you have written above, explicitly linking to pizza, then such information may be included somewhere in this article, along with the citations. Gzuufy (talk) 16:16, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 March 2013

Add a section for Canada. Here is the deleted text from the US stand alone article Pizza in the United States:

• Hawaiian pizza has Canadian bacon (or sliced ham) and/or bacon with pineapple toppings with Mozzarella cheese. This type of pizza is especially popular in the western United States, and is also a popular topping combination in Australia, Canada, and Sweden, but notably not in Hawaii. This type is also common within the EU, where it is known as pizza Hawaii.

Hawaiian Pizza was created by Sam Panopoulos in 1962 when he opened the Satellite Restaurant on King Street in downtown Chatham, Ontario.

Here are the refs that support the move from US to Canada: Canadian Post, Toronto SunHawaii Star AdvertiserThe Village Voice. The ref may mistakenly appear circuitous, but a reading shows the reporter has run it down and independently sourced the claims and dates. As no such supporting ref exists for any claim of US invention of Hawaiian Pizza, this source takes precedence.12.144.158.12 (talk) 13:02, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I note that your IP deleted the Hawaiian pizza paragraph in the article Pizza in the United States. Afterward you placed your request here. Regardless of the history of the originator of Hawaiian pizza, it is a popular name for a topping style in the U.S. I'm curious why you deleted the paragraph on that article, instead of inserting a cited sentence? A sentence such as (info from your cite at blogs.starbulletin.com/takeabite/?p=713), "Sam Panopoulos asserts original invention of the Hawaiian pizza topping style at his restaurant in Southern Ontario in 1962"? (or some similar phrasing, along with all your cites supporting the contention) Gzuufy (talk) 19:54, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I pointed that out in the first sentence when I stated, "Here is the deleted text from the US stand alone article Pizza in the United States".12.144.158.12 (talk) 01:07, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

I am marking your request as  Not done as there's not enough material for a separate section on Canadian pizza variants at this time. -- Dianna (talk) 14:47, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request

Hi friends, I would like to propose cleaning up the beginning of this article under Cooking to provide reference for the oven description in cooking.

Here is a section of the current article: Cooking

"In restaurants, pizza can be baked in an oven with stone bricks above the heat source, an electric deck oven, a conveyor belt oven or, in the case of more expensive restaurants, a wood- or coal-fired brick oven. On deck ovens, the pizza can be slid into the oven on a long paddle, called a peel, and baked directly on the hot bricks or baked on a screen (a round metal grate, typically aluminum)."

I propose the following change: "In restaurants, pizza can be baked in a gas or electric hearth oven, a conveyor belt oven or a wood or coal-fired oven. On a hearth oven, the pizza can be placed into the oven using a long paddle, called a pizza peel, and baked directly on the oven surface or a pizza screen (a round metal grate, typically aluminum).

~~dougolive~~ User:dougolive —Preceding undated comment added 14:51, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

pizza toppings.

--94.72.234.186 (talk) 17:54, 2 June 2013 (UTC) other ingredients (a very popular combination in the uk) tuna and sweetcorn

pizza in Argentina

Argentina has a long tradition of pizza baking. can you add information about the pizza in Argentina?87.68.80.223 (talk) 14:32, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I propose that Mexican pizza be merged into Pizza. I think that the content in the Mexican pizza article can easily be explained in the context of Pizza, as the distinction is solely in the toppings. As the article notes, Mexican pizza is not from Mexico, so it does not warrant a separate article. Geoff ^{Who, me?} 23:23, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Support Definitely agree with you. Teammm ^talk
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Support I agree as well. - Camyoung54 talk 19:40, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Support I agree with this proposal. -  TOW  talk  20:44, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Support I can't see how it warrants its own article any more than other well know pizza topping combinations. Sarahj2107 (talk) 15:22, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Support Definitely it should be added into Pizza type section. --_SMS^{Let's talk} 16:31, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Merger complete

  Y Merger complete. Information from Mexican pizza has been merged into this article. Northamerica1000^(talk) 18:45, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Korean Pizza Picture

The picture of "a Korean pizza" seems actually to be of a jeon, a more traditional Korean dish, rather than of a pizza from the country. Perhaps somebody should find an appropriate picture of an actual pizza from Korea and upload that in its stead.

114.182.15.163 (talk) 12:49, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Pizza's etymology

The etymology given here for pizza is highly unlikely (though a possible source). The word is most likely of Germanic origins from the word bite or cake: bizzo (High Old German). Source: Oxford English Dictionary Inlacrimabilis (talk) 01:57, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Neaples?

Pretty sure Neaples should be Naples. I'd fix it myself, but it won't let me edit this article for some reason.

Also, in the section on the invention of the Margherita, the word "pie" is used. Pizza is not considered a pie in Italy, so this is inappropriate and should probably be changed. 149.254.180.167 (talk) 21:02, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 August 2013

shania pizza style its a crapload of awesomeness with an explosion of chessy goodness with a vomit of tomato's diareoh and a load of toppinsg which spilled from a pizza garbage truck like kaboom gurl kaboom. omg thats what he said cus yolo bouyyyy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.7.174.189 (talk) 08:04, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Too many images

Hi. There are too many images on this page, some of them mostly meaningless. Some of these say nothing about the factor that got them included in the first place - vegetarian pizza: you cannot from the photo see that it is vegetarian; the "pizza that was prepared in Sweden": is there anything Swedish about it?. Others really mean very little: photo of a menu with 500 pizze (so what?); and "A Pizza restaurant at Kulim, Kedah, Malaysia." Also, information like "Pizza restaurants in Malaysia include Domino's, Pizza Hut, Papa John's, Jom Pizza, and Sure Pizza" really don't tell me much about pizza in Malaysia. I want to know about how popular it is there, do they have local variants etc - not a list of foreign franchises. If we are going to add all these franchises to all fast food types PER country, we might as well become a fast food directory! Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 12:59, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Actual Origins of Pizza

America! Italians couldn't get it right, so America had to step up and create the good stuff. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.52.91.5 (talk) 23:25, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Heath Matters - Benefits

The last line of this section states, without citation:

"[...]popular pizza varieties in many parts of the world are often loaded with high fat cheeses and fatty meats, a high intake of which can contribute to obesity[...]".

I believe the trouble is that this is taken as a given and not challenged.

Author Gary Taubes has researched the topic of obesity and discovered that it isn't fat that makes you fat, it's carbohydrates and sugar.

However, regardless of the newly discovered (to Americans), old evidence, I believe that it would be better to remove the "fatty meats" line all together than to revise it to state that carbohydrates are the culprit behind obesity. Jstwhln (talk) 05:09, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

No mention of how you eat it?

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/themargin/2014/01/10/new-york-city-mayor-eats-pizza-with-a-fork-ugh/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.201.206 (talk) 15:12, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Almost duplicate sentences for Indian pizza

Under the Indian section of Global Varieties, these two sentences occur:

Indian pizzas tend to be spicier and more veggie-oriented than those in other countries.
Indian pizzas are generally spicier and more veggie-oriented than those in other countries.

One would be enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.249.195.44 (talk) 20:53, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

no Macedonian languag,No Macedonia country

There is no Macedonian language, Macedonians were speaking the Greek language, Macedonia country does not exist, this is FYROM — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.12.75.90 (talk) 18:37, 3 February 2014 (UTC)