Talk:PlayStation (console)

Game Libarary

Good job on the game library section. I'm surprised Mortal Kombat 3 and NFL Gameday aren't mentioned. Outside of Sonic, the Mega Drive's popularity was built on Sports games and Mortal Kombat. So when Sony made NFL Gameday and got a 32-bit exclusive rights to MK3, it really helped Sony defeat Sega in 1995.

Requested move 6 February 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved – the overwhelming consensus is that the retroactive naming is not consistent enough to warrant a move (c.f. Super Bowl I), with sources still – 25 years after the console's release – split on the usage of the numeral to differentiate between the series of consoles and the first console in the series. Sceptre (talk) 20:05, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

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PlayStation (console) → PlayStation 1 – Per WP:TITLEDAB, it is preferable to use natural disambiguation (i.e. use a name for the article that is self-disambiguating) as opposed to parenthetical disambiguation (i.e. the current article title). Though the official/proper name for this console is "PlayStation", the name "PlayStation 1" is also regularly used in reliable sources for disambiguation purposes. Here are just a few: Kotaku, IGN, Polygon, Business Insider, NME, The Escapist, Vice, CNET, PCMag, Destructoid, GameSpot, Screen Rant, Forbes, Wired, Complex, The Guardian. This proposed title is also slightly clearer; the title "PlayStation (console)" is a bit confusing because the article "PlayStation" is also about a series of consoles. The title "PlayStation 1" is clear, unambiguous, and recognizable. IagoQnsi (talk) 19:17, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Purely on the basis that the console is not called the PlayStation 1. I don't see how its current title is unclear. ♦ jaguar 19:32, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

• "PlayStation 1" is not used at all outside the abbreviation PS1. Naming it PlayStation 1 is basically an original synthesis. One can make an argument that "PS One", a name of a later model, can be expanded into "PlayStation One", but it's still used way less than the original one. No point in doing that. Oppose. -Sleeps-Darkly (talk) 19:50, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Per Jaguar and Sleeps-Darkly. The console was never named "PlayStation 1". This type of disambiguation (Between a brand and it's first product) is widespread and normal. -- ferret (talk) 19:51, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose There's no such thing as a "PlayStation 1", so that would just be a made-up fake name on our part. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:10, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
• @Sleeps-Darkly and Zxcvbnm: It is not an original synthesis or a made-up fake name; it has been used in all of those reliable sources I linked. –IagoQnsi (talk) 23:40, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
  • And I would point out that some of these courses are using the "Playstation 1" to disambiguate from other consoles. It can be observed that it's a pretty recent thing. We do not need to go along with that, considering that it was never used in contemporary sources, and the more serious industry sources (that are not the list of "best games" and non-sponsored ad blurbs for PS Classic) actually still do not use this, going for more general "Playstation" or "PSOne". Moreover, it's better to make the case that the article should be actually moved to "PlayStation", and the current "PlayStation" about the series should be moved to "PlayStation (console series)". The argument about "Great War"/"World War I" is frankly nonsensical in regards to this. --Sleeps-Darkly (talk) 06:45, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
    • @Sleeps-Darkly: Sure, contemporary sources didn't use it, but why would they when the PlayStation 2 didn't exist yet? The Great War/World War I example applies perfectly here. And I'm not sure what "serious industry sources" you're referring to – I linked to a variety of major games publications as well as general news publications. –IagoQnsi (talk) 07:35, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
      • It does not, because the war and the gaming console are wholly different concepts; equating them is absolutely nonsensical. Explained below. --Sleeps-Darkly (talk) 08:20, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
• Support. Regardless of what it was originally called, it is now commonly called "Playstation 1", and the proposed title is perfectly acceptable as a WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION. World War I wasn't called that at the time, it was called "the Great War" until World War II came along. Rreagan007 (talk) 01:46, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
• Support the current name fails WP:PRECISE. It does not distinguish the one console model from the series of consoles. The proposed name is used in reliable sources and is a good natural disambiguation. There is no reason Wikipedia must follow the official name. (t · c) buidhe 03:09, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
  • It's not clear how it's failing WP:PRECISE here. It doesn't seem that the reasoning "it does not distinguish" works here. -Sleeps-Darkly (talk) 06:50, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

    If the disambiguation were (console model) it would be precise. (t · c) buidhe 10:06, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

    It's not a "console model" though, it's a console. It contains several models of the PlayStation within the same article. (video game console) is probably what you are looking for here, although I don't see how that's particularly necessary since nobody has had an issue with it up till now. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:46, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

    • Furthermore, it doesn't fail PRECISE. There is no other (console) called PlayStation. The current name is exactly as precise as it needs to be. Axem Titanium (talk) 02:41, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

• Support. It's amazing to me that people are claiming the term "Playstation 1" is not used, when there are literally a dozen sources presented here that do just that. WP:NATURAL also applies here. Calidum 03:49, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

  It's certainly used, but not in any sort of official context (besides the model called "PS One", not "PlayStation 1"). It would give readers an incorrect idea of what it is called, making it unsuitable for WP:NATURAL use. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:48, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. Leave well enough alone. ♠JCW555 (talk)♠ 07:03, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

That's not an argument. Rreagan007 (talk) 07:45, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

It can be said to be an WP:AINTBROKE argument. If no one is having a navigation issue, it will not improve Wikipedia by changing it, while at the same time becoming more confusing. I can't wait for "Xbox 1" vs. "Xbox One". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:51, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose It's disingenuous and misleading, like moving Star Wars (film) to Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope. While reliable sources do write "PlayStation 1" with some frequency, this is only in retrospect and to help readers distinguish from the brand. We also share this responsibility not to mislead our readers, but because we are an encyclopedia with a formal WP:TONE, we should tread carefully. By titling an encyclopedia article "PlayStation 1" alongside articles for products officially named PlayStation 2, PlayStation 3, etc., we are seriously misleading readers into thinking that "PlayStation 1" is the official and original name of the product, which is patently false. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 09:59, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Per Jaguar, Sleeps-Darkly, and Tarkus et al. "Playstation 1" is not the name of the console. Chaheel Riens (talk) 10:06, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
• Strong oppose. "PlayStation (console)" is obviously not confusing; in addition to this being the official and original name, the console series would be disambiguated as something like "PlayStation (console series)". "console", being a singular noun, clearly refers to the console named "PlayStation", no one will confuse "PlayStation (console)" for the series. If it was "PlayStation (consoles)" only then it would be a different story. So don't try to fix what ain't broken, the current title is perfectly acceptable. Totally agree with TarkusAB's Star Wars example, the fact that "[w]hile reliable sources do write 'PlayStation 1' with some frequency, this is only in retrospect and to help readers distinguish from the brand" and that we would be "seriously misleading readers into thinking that 'PlayStation 1' is the official and original name of the product, which is patently false". Skyshifter ^talk 11:49, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

• Weak support. The common, contemporary, colloquial terminology sometimes is more prevalent and distinguishing than the “official name”. Nicknames of famous people that are a twist of their official birth name are a perfect example, such as Bill Clinton. There are countless others that aren’t coming to mind. As long as the second sentence or the end of the first sentence makes a clear statement such as “officially known as PlayStation”, I’m leaning on the support side. Mrbeastmodeallday (talk) 11:57, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
• @TarkusAB and Skyshifter: We have plenty of articles whose title is not the official or original name. The football game that was called the "AFL-NFL World Championship Game" at the time is located at Super Bowl I, the Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University is located at Virginia Tech, and the war that everyone at the time called the "Great War" is located at World War I. All of those articles simply explain the name in the first sentence of the article to avoid confusing readers. I don't find those articles confusing at all, and I don't think "PlayStation 1" would be confusing either. The lead sentence could be something like "The PlayStation (commonly abbreviated PS, PS1 or PSX, and known unofficially as the PlayStation 1) is a..." –IagoQnsi (talk) 07:17, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
  • I'm going to respond and knock the "Great War"/"World War I" argument out as an absolutely nonsensical one. The war isn't a product, and the name was given to it by historicans who later changed it. It's not a product that has a manufacturer who gave an official name to it. Meanwhile, PlayStation is a specific product that has an official name, that never officially changed; so moving the article will mislead the readers who may not even read the "known unofficially as the PlayStation 1" part. Also see the Star Wars example. This discussion is a huge waste of time. --Sleeps-Darkly (talk) 08:20, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Also taking a dig at Super Bowl I - the official part is implied in the first sentence. "and referred to in contemporaneous reports, including the game's radio broadcast, as the Super Bowl," --Sleeps-Darkly (talk) 08:20, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
  • You write like no one calls it "PlayStation" anymore. "Super Bowl I" and "Virginia Tech" are both official/endorsed and overwhelmingly used over the alternatives. "The Great War" has been antiquated for decades. So just to be clear, reliable sources still use "PlayStation":

• Time: "Sony’s now getting in on the action with its $99 PlayStation Classic, a miniature replica of the iconic PlayStation with two controllers and 20 games."
• NME: "Next month, on September 29 to be precise, the original PlayStation turns 25 years old."
• Guardian: "Launched in Japan on 3 December 1994, the PlayStation revolutionalised the video-games industry."
• Guardian: "PlayStation 2 didn’t just equal the success of PlayStation – it became the best-selling console of all time"
• IGN: "ike the SEGA Saturn and Nintendo 64, the PlayStation was among the generation of consoles that helped bring gaming from the 2D days of old to the current 3D content that we're still playing to this day."
• Edge: "A history of videogame hardware: Sony PlayStation"
• DigitalSpy: "...Sony took its first steps into the hardware sector with the release of the phenomenally successful PlayStation."
• GameSpot: "The original PlayStation launched in Japan on December 3, 1994."
• Polygon: "This week marked the 25th anniversary of Sony’s original PlayStation, a bet that went on to be an undeniable success for the company, with the PlayStation family of consoles having sold more than 430 million units since then. "
• EuroGamer: "The world was a very different place when PlayStation first arrived in the UK."
• Kotaku: "What People Used To Say About The Original PlayStation"
• Business Insider: "Sony just announced a $100 mini version of the original PlayStation — here's everything we know about the PlayStation Classic"
• Wired: "The PlayStation: a Time Line. The ups and downs of Sony's seminal game console."
• PCMag: "The Sony PlayStation was one of the first big steps in proving that video games weren't just for kids."
• Engadget: "Okay, maybe I'm being too dramatic. Younger gamers who didn't grow up with the PlayStation might find something to enjoy."
• CNET: "The PlayStation represents a time in games in which the jump from 2D to true 3D was still shaking out."
• ArsTechnica: "Speaking of the box, the hardware is housed in a lightweight and accurate miniature replica of the original PlayStation itself."

Additional clarity:

• The PlayStation Classic, released in 2018, is probably the most recent thing Sony has done which brought awareness of the original console back to the public eye. Notice that Sony did not name it the "PlayStation 1 Classic", and notice that reviews of the new device refer to the original as the "PlayStation" as well. Some of those reviews are linked above.
• "PlayStation" is used in formal high-quality sources. Britannica uses "PlayStation". PlayStation Anthology (ISBN 9791093752327), probably the most comprehensive book on the history of the system, uses "PlayStation".
• "PlayStation 1" is colloquial, which conflicts with Wikipedia's formal tone. It's the same reason Lysergic acid diethylamide is located where it is, and not at LSD or Acid (drug).

TarkusAB^talk/contrib 09:29, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

It's unfortunate that you had to that go out of your way to show something obvious, but the sources chosen by the nom were quite clearly cherry-picked to show ONLY the instances where it was called "PlayStation 1" and not "PlayStation Classic" or just "PlayStation". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:45, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Noting that there was a move discussion very similar to this in August 2016 (here), where the move was resoundingly opposed to. ♠JCW555 (talk)♠ 10:07, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose I don't think there's enough difference between the common usages of the two (PlayStation or PlayStation 1). Sources above prove they're both used frequently so oppose per WP:AINTBROKE CrimsonFox ^talk 13:39, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose Whilst "PlayStation 1" is pretty common in usage I think the WP:OFFICIAL name is pretty important here, especially to those readers who may not realize "PlayStation 1" was never the official name (simliar to the Star Wars comparison mentioned above). Also, I think it will end up causing issues in other related articles like in infoboxes and linking since we will still only be referring to the console as "PlayStation" not "PlayStation 1" (ie Gran Turismo (1997) was released for the PlayStation but not Gran Turismo (1997) was released for the PlayStation 1). Regards  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 20:00, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

  This is a huge point. We absolutely should not encourage people to begin linking and writing PlayStation 1 in articles. -- ferret (talk) 20:43, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

• Notified WP:VG.  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 20:05, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose, PlayStation 1 is a retroactive/informal renaming. The console is officially called the PlayStation. --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:15, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
• If the name of the console isn't PlayStation 1 per above (I'm not a PS guy so I don't know), then Oppose. Even if it was, Oppose anyways. PlayStation is the WP:COMMONNAME, and although critics refer to it as "PlayStation 1", it could simply be because they're required to disambiguate. Some people don't know the difference between Xbox and Xbox One, or the NES and SNES, and therefore critics clarify that. As such, I don't think these sources should be taken into account for what the common name is. Panini!^🥪 21:04, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. Especially per Tarkus' various comments, which summarize my entire feelings about it. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 22:03, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Seems like a solution in search of a problem. Most sources refer to it retroactivly as the original PlayStation, hardly ever as the Playstation 1.JOJ ^Hutton 22:29, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. "Playstation 1" is unnofficial and not the most common name. "The Playstation" is equally, if not more, common. Neocorelight (Talk) 23:22, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. This is a common misreading of COMMONNAME. It does not say "use the most common name ALWAYS". In fact, it says When there is no single, obvious name that is demonstrably the most frequently used (emphasis mine) for the topic by these sources, editors should reach a consensus as to which title is best by considering these criteria directly. I do not see evidence that "PlayStation 1" is far and away preferred in sources compared to the official name, or even "original PlayStation". In my estimation, "PlayStation 1" is the third most common referent at best, after PlayStation and original PlayStation, and even if it were the most common by a slight amount, the relative frequencies are such that the official name would still be preferred article title. Axem Titanium (talk) 02:41, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose: "Playstation 1" already redirects to this article, so anyone who calls it "Playstation 1" would get to the article anyway. Nothing would be lost. Sultan the Sultan (talk) 08:09, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. I agre that this is definitely a solution in search of a problem and a misreading of WP:COMMONNAME. Haleth (talk) 14:50, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose - It's not an official name or a common name. Is the naming scheme a bit confusing? Sure. But that's of Sony's doing, not ours. Proposals like this aren't helping. Sergecross73 msg me 15:18, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
• Support Screws with older youngish people's childhood memories, and isn't official, but WrestleMania I never really happened, either, yet wrestling fan society adapted and now (largely) tolerates or even enjoys the retconvenience. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:02, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - Not the official name. PlayStation 1, already redirects here anyways so I don't see the point of this proposed move. TheDeviantPro (talk) 08:47, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - PlayStation 1 is a made up name. I can't see the sense in this proposed move away from the actual name of the console. - X201 (talk) 09:16, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose – WP:TITLEDAB says that you can naturally disambiguate by using an alternate name, and this is sometimes better than using parentheses. But this is one of those cases where the Playstation console is better (or at least no worse) than Playstation one or Playstation classic. Shooterwalker (talk) 21:59, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Page protection request

Can protect this page from constant vandalism edits? HarmonZach (talk) 22:49, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

game numbers

although the article lead states that 3061 games were released for the console, i can't seem to find a reliable source supporting this. in fact, as of this writing, the targeted "List of PlayStation games (A–L)" article states that there are 4105 games in wikipedia's list of games for the console (which spans two articles). the article body had actually stated that 7918 games were released, before this number was removed from the article about a week ago, apparently because that value counted releases of a game in different regions as different games. since there appears to be disagreement on exactly how many games were released for the console, would it be better to avoid giving an exact number? for example, "A total of 3,061 PlayStation games were released" could be replaced with "Thousands of PlayStation games were released".

i am also unsure about the accuracy of the value of "967 million" in the lead. this doesn't seem to be supported by the article body, which mentions the value of "962 million" instead. note that the cited source is actually from sony itself, and the number is based on sales up to and including the first quarter of 2007. would rewording the statement to use an approximation be more prudent here as well? one possibility is to replace "967 million units" with "nearly a billion game units". note that i added "game" in my suggestion to more clearly distinguish game units from console units. dying (talk) 12:59, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

franchise list

is there a reason why, in the list of franchises in the article lead, the franchises are listed in that particular order? if there is, i was unable to figure it out. if there isn't, i would recommend sorting them alphabetically.

also, is there a reason why wipeout is included in this list? it looks like none of the games in the wipeout series appears in the "List of best-selling PlayStation video games" article, which includes 123 games, while all the other franchises have at least one entry in the top 20. skimming through that list, i would have thought that dragon warrior and tony hawk's both would easily have been more worthy of inclusion. dying (talk) 12:59, 29 March 2024 (UTC)